Seriously, what the fuck happened to google search?
@selkcip seems to happen to cm too.
Brb, gonna ask Google how long is my peepee (spoiler, it’s 9842.52 inches)
@selkcip I'm 98% sure javascript is involved

@selkcip No, see, Big Metric has been shrinking our millimetres a little bit each year since the 1950s, so now you can fit a lot more into an inch.

(Edit: I mean, Big Metric has been growing our millimetres, I went the wrong direction with my math)

@selkcip Turns out LLMs don't give quite the same reliability in results as human made and tested code? I'm surprised.
@selkcip Cannot replicate on a Mac/Safari, .com and .co.uk
@eduqate @selkcip +1 Tried both with and without blank in Safari on iOS.

@selkcip

At least the "leagues to smoot" conversion seems to be working correctly.

@selkcip sure, it can't tell the difference between millimeters and meters any more, but at least the formula is still working.

The enshittification creeps onward.

@selkcip I got the same error, but it disappears with a space between 250 and mm. duckduckgo understands it both ways
@selkcip I've been noticing this a lot recently too. Very frustrating.

@selkcip The vast chill slow intelligence that is Google the corporation thinks search is a revenue sink and sees no reason to spend the infinite money it would take to defend it from SEO, which is to say, Google's own advertising business.

When Google became an advertising company, it began a transition away from "build uniquely useful services" to being a malware company, thereby consigning the uniquely useful services to the pit.

Ads are malware. The _idea_ of ads is malware.

@graydon @selkcip And most of the data Google wants to index isn’t available to search these days. They can’t get to Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and so on. No data means no help targeting their ads, which means they aren’t interested in search anymore.
@abraunbeck @graydon @selkcip The walled stuff often seems to be going the other way IME - they serve up a regwall-free version for Google so they'll get search hits, then demand real users create an account/log in/accept cookies to see stuff (e.g. FB, Quora, Medline, several news conglomerates, Pinterest iirc)
@selkcip the managers who were skeptical of fuzzy logic are now embracing AI.
@selkcip I've been seeing this happening for over a month, I don't know how it hasn't been fixed yet
@selkcip thankfully, still seems to work fine here
@selkcip It doesn't work even if you write millimeters
@selkcip if you add a space between the number and the unit, it works
@selkcip Meters have better SEO that millimeters.

@selkcip When I did my annual casting about for search that doesn't suck this year, I signed up for a trial account with Kagi. Which appears to be a filtered front end for Bing with vague AI components and a frankly nonviable cost per search model, but it does what it says.

I had forgotten what good search results look like. Not 200k pages of garbage results but maybe 10 of actually relevant pages created by humans for humans.

I keep waffling on buying the cheapest tier of searches/month.

@selkcip

This is in desktop in the UK.

@winkleink @selkcip

For me, "250mm in inches" works, "250mm to inches" is parsed incorrectly.

@selkcip Exaggerating the length in inches is a very masculine thing to do.

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dunno. ppl are gonnal laugh but i use bing.. the main reason is that google gives me a bunch of impossible to solve captchas bc i'm on a VPN

@selkcip I recommend Qalculate for your everyday calculation and unit conversion needs!

❤️ https://qalculate.github.io/ ❤️

It can solve equations, too.

Qalculate! - the ultimate desktop calculator

@selkcip @mhoye I mean, I GET that metric can be hard to change to initially, but…

@selkcip it's mocking you for still using Imperial.

Rightly so too 😂

@selkcip dunno, duckduckgo works fine)
@selkcip it was secretly taken over by math teachers who are pissed that we all now have calculators on us all the time.
@selkcip at least it's not 250 million meters :D
@selkcip "What a difference a space makes"
#google
@selkcip mm stands for metric metres, so as not to be confused for imperial meters....
@selkcip I guess you saw this, but I wil say it anyway to avoid FUD. It says 250 Meter not Millimeters in the Form, so the computation result is correct but the parsing of mm (parsed it as meters, not as Millimeters) is incorrect.

@selkcip to Google, search result quality is a cost centre / loss leader.

Search results compete with ads for user clicks. Google needs the search results to be good enough to make you use their service, but shitty enough that you'd rather click an ad.

@selkcip Working fine for me on Ubuntu with Firefox

@selkcip No idea—haven’t used #Google aside from rare exceptions in years.

#BraveSearch is stellar now, with smarter and more attributable #ai summaries than anyone else is doing, and now independent photo search, too. Can’t recommend switching to @brave enough.

@selkcip Looks like they're having trouble with the absence of the space between the '0' and 'mm'.

Dimensions are correctly written with a space in-between the number and the unit of measurement. But, this is no excuse for Google not being able to infer that.

I'm with ya, I too write it without the space.

@selkcip "eh, who cares about the results, *how were the ads?*"
@selkcip I saw this too many times... now I'm using DuckDuckGo in my not-work-related FireFox browser for such calculations 🙃

@selkcip possibly it is a parsing issue.

“250 mm to inches” will return the correct answer.

Instead of inserting a “space” it is overwriting the first “m” with a “space”.

@iVeryAm @selkcip But not if the number is 200 or 210 or 220. Starting at 230 it suddenly barfs. There's "merely incompetent", but this exceeds that.

@SvenGeier @selkcip
I see. It calculates correctly for “251mm to inches”

Edit: so the error only comes up with numbers divisible by 10 starting with 230.

Somehow I’m expecting the error to start after 255.

@selkcip This gets wild: try again with 220mm -- that works. 230mm does not. Also, the same 250mm that incorrectly parses to "250m" parses correctly if you convert to feet instead of inches.
@selkcip they said ChatGPT is going to destroy Google search. Now Google search is copying ChatGPT and giving wrong answers
@selkcip they must be watching you. They've fixed it.