When those of us who work on CO₂ removal (CDR) meet, it’s apparent that no one wants to do this and no one thinks it’s easy.
It’s far easier and cheaper to stop emitting CO₂.
The fact that some of the smartest people I know decide to work on CDR signals our desperation.
So you followed a #vegan lifestyle for many years I guess?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w
If yes, when you talk about #climatechange as a problem, can you please promote #veganism as an important thing to do and in your bio? Thanks.
Modelled estimates of the environmental impact of dietary choices often fail to reflect true dietary practice. This study links a dietary dataset from 55,000 UK consumers with food-level data on GHG emissions, land use, water use, eutrophication and biodiversity to compare the environmental burden of different levels of meat consumption.
So you were so desperate to specialize in CO₂ removal but you don't bother to promote the most effective thing everyone can do to reduce emissions in the first place?
Can I say that it doesn't seem like an efficient strategy to me? Today you can spread solutions like this with an exponential speed on the Web.
@alexl I don’t specialize in CDR. I specialize in understanding the earth system and the carbon cycle, especially in the exchange of CO₂ between the atmosphere and the ocean.
Read my work before making uninformed statements.
Start here on what I think about CDR: https://rdcu.be/dbFbB
It was you literally saying in your post:
"When those of us who work on CO₂ removal (CDR)"
Your sloppy reaction suggests to me that you don't follow a vegan lifestyle and for sure you don't bother to promote it. But you still like to complain about CO₂ emissions. Maybe people need to know a plant-based diet is very effective to reduce those?
If climate scientists aren't consistent with their claims, some people might think you're scaremongering for more funding for your research.
What interests me are the sentient beings of other species and if this story of climate change can reduce those concentration camps that are farms, I am happy to call hypocrites those climate scientists who do not follow a plant-based diet.
@alexl @davidho I'm glad you two are talking about this face to face, without emitting co2 with devices and apps and servers and all that stuff.
Cmon Alex, this issue has many layers, it's not up to somebody to decide that one specific layer comes before all the others.
Being vegan is a very healthy habit for the planet, and promoting it is the right thing to do. But being this aggressive send people away from a thread, and that's not ideal.
Just out of curiosity, is calling people that are skeptical on AGW "deniers", making fun of them, portraying them as the most ignorant ones, hating them, threatening them and asking for laws that punish them not sending them away? Is that ideal instead?
I have tons of posts like that in my timeline right now and no replies like yours on being aggressive. They are waiting for you.
Read my other replies. In short: I don't care about climate change, I just want to take advantage of people worried about it to promote a plant-based diet.
In case it is still not clear: the few people following me don't care if I am a vegan, it's a personal choice.
The thousands people following a "climate scientist" that talks a lot about how important is to reduce emissions would be way more incline to adopt a plant-based diet.
@alexl
> I don't care about climate change
opinion discarded
Why should I? The people claiming there is a #climatecrisis don't even bother to go #vegan and promote a #plantbased diet.
/You/ may not care about the #climatecrisis but its effects will destroy your health, finances and finally your life just as anybody else - regardless of your diet.
PS: Nominated your toot as one of the most stupid ones of the day.
People like you don't even bother to go vegan and promote a plant-based diet. Why should I worry if not even you are taking the "climate crisis" seriously?
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All the carbon emissions you save over a lifetime of veganism will be farted out of a private jet by a billionaire running errands over a weekend.
All the carbon emissions you save over a lifetime of veganism will be erased by a mundane routine military jet engine test.
The most effective thing you can for the climate do is eradicate billionaires and abolish the military.
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I replied to that post hours ago
No, it's the opposite, and by many orders of magnitude
He just said it is a desperate attempt and it is better to reduce emissions on the first place... the best thing you can do is adopting a plant-based diet and make other people do the same.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Step 1 of avoiding driving off a cliff is deciding to take action. Step 2 is taking your foot off the accelerator.
Converting the whole world to vegan overnight isn't going to happen. What could happen, is asking people to replace some of their beef consumption with anything else, as it is about 3 times as bad as chicken, and IIRC, twice or maybe 50% more harmful than pork.
No one is saying the world should turn vegan overnight.
What interests me are the sentient beings of other species and if this story of climate change can reduce those concentration camps that are farms, I will make sure so called climate scientists are the first to follow a plant-based diet, to save at least some more lives.
Every single life counts, this guy has 7K followers and each of them who is not following a plant based diet causes many deaths every year.
I have been an activist for many years and I know exactly the limit of that approach. Let me say that using science where only empathy is needed is one of the peaks of the dystopian-level scientism of our times.
Today we are flooded by alarms on climate change, many people are worried about it but vegans are still 3% at best in Western countries.
I will take full advantage of these circumstances to promote a plant-based diet.
One more thing. Any reduction does something incredibly valuable. It buys time for people like David to develop GHG sequestering ideas. It buys time for governments to pass legislation. It buys time for more efficient tech to come on the market. It buys time to convince others to take action.
The livestock industry pollutes more than the entire transport sector. It's 10 000 000 000 individuals killed every year that need to be fed for years.
The oil industry exists because people consume energy for everything.
There is no way to produce energy without emissions and there probably isn't enough rare-earth elements for batteries.
So sorry, going #vegan is the only thing you can do and it is the most effective one, way more than anything else.
@alexl
> The oil industry exists because people consume energy for everything. There is no way to produce energy without emissions.
You are very rational in your thinking, thank you a lot for saying this out loud. People definitely should be embracing vegan lifestyle and other ways of personal responsibility, like saving water, not leaving food waste, and otherwise carefully monitoring their carbon footprint. It's such a shame that some extremist personalities can't simply accept these facts.
Anything else is almost useless when it comes to emissions, going vegan and making other people go vegan is way more effective, it saves other animals from a life of torture and it helps against desertifications and pollution.
So, sorry, I won't tollerate any dilution of this concept.
The seditious billionaires funding climate denial:
Charles Koch
Tim Dunn
Farris Wilks
Larry Ellison
Peter Thiel
Paul Singer
Barre Seid
Holloway Frost
Arch Aplin III
Geoffrey Raynor
Dick Uihlein
Timothy Mellon
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Ray Hunt
H. Ross Perot Jr.
Drayton McLane Jr.
Bobby Cox
Robert Rowling
Paul Foster
John Nau III
Jeffery Hildebrand
T. Dan Friedkin
Robert Albritton
Harold Simmons
Richard Kinder
Tilman Fertitta
it's easier to pretend it's not happening.
it's just inconvenient.
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@davidho 50% chance that issue is up in the attic somewhere. But I found this, which makes me think the original is somewhere about page 99 of Joseph Romm’s CV.
Rosenfeld, Arthur H., Tina M. Kaarsberg, and Joseph Romm. "Technologies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the next decade." Physics Today 53.11 (2000): 29-34.
The universe is getting hotter, a new study has found. The study, published in the Astrophysical Journal, probed the thermal history of the universe over the last 10 billion years. It found that the mean temperature of gas across the universe has increased more than 10 times over that time period
@davidho I cannot believe the vegan trolling you've gotten in response to this post. My sympathies.
Please feel free to grab my image description for alt text if you wish.
@davidho I totally agree, would you rather stop producing plastic water bottles or invent ways to remove them from the oceans?
Moreover, removal tech triggers ugly capitalist ideas like corporations paying who's removing on their behalf. Exactly like that idiocy of planting trees to balance carbon emissions.
I mean, planting trees is always great, just don't link it to CO2 production.
A very important message!
There needs to be an addition:
- CDR can never compensate for another 20 yrs of ongoing ~37 Bio tons CO2. Never.
- There is no choice: Emissions have to be reduced significantly, and that has to start NOW. That’s not just a question of costs.
- Well, it looks like we'll need CDR later on to compensate for say the last 2 to 5% remaining emissions, which are most difficult to further reduce. That might be possible - and still expensive, but probably necessary
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