~one billion
~1,000,000,000

That's how many parking spaces there are in the USA. For every car? About 4 empty spaces... just sitting there, not absorbing the rain, making flooding worse, making cities hotter as they bake in the summer sun.

Our built environment and laws bend over backwards to make driving the only viable transportation option in nearly every imaginable context.

You need to pay for healthcare, but almost never parking.

(Pointing this out makes libertarian heads explode.)

@futurebird it should at least be required to have canopies with solar panels to make some use of the space.
@futurebird Yes, we have too many cars, and too many parking lots with too many spaces, but free? It's .50 to a $1.00 per hour in my small town to park, $30-$40 a day in the city and double that to park at a hotel.
@ron_miller @futurebird $1 per hour doesn't actually cover the cost of a street parking spot.
@ron_miller @futurebird you listed the only two places where parking is ever not free (walkable small towns and walkable big cities), and generally the reason those are nice places to be is that they don’t have government subsidized parking. Even still, $0.50 to $1.00 and $30-$40 a day is likely still subsidizing car owners, and is not an accurate representation of how much those parking spaces are costing their local municipalities
@bwebster @futurebird The garages in cities tend to be privately owned, but the "metered" parking is municipally owned -- and downtown business owners in my town still complain about charging for parking, claiming it keeps customers away (it doesn't).

@ron_miller @futurebird yeah, so many business owners seem to think that because they drive to their business, everyone else does too. We have that a lot where I live when business owners try to prevent bike lanes replacing parking. It’s almost always a fundamental misunderstanding of their clientele.

Private paid parking may not be directly subsidized, but it does still have an opportunity cost in terms of preventing something more useful being built there

@bwebster @ron_miller @futurebird Also kinda interesting: metered & time-limited parking tends to be good for business owners, b/c it encourages turnover of the parking spots, which means more customers b/c there’s somewhere to park nearby.

The best-priced parking is where there’s always one empty spot nearby.

@ron_miller @bwebster @futurebird I think it does keep customers away, at least to some small degree if not more. I know I've avoided going places for this reason. Your point may remain that it isn't worth some trivial increase in customers.
@ech @ron_miller @futurebird it depends a lot on how car-centric a place is. If you live in a place where walking, biking, and public transit have been removed as transportation options, then paid parking may actually reduce customers. But if those other transportation options are available, and paid parking is used to incentivize more walkable areas, customers will always increase overall, even if some people don’t want to pay to park
@ech @bwebster @futurebird I have a Park Mobile app and it's just a simple matter to pay and watch the meter on my phone, so it's no big deal to me. I certainly don't stay away because I prefer the shops and restaurants in town to the chains that tend to be clustered around the malls.
@ron_miller @futurebird In Texas I almost never pay for parking. Only when I drive to downtown Dallas, which is a rare occasion.
Parking Sucks, But Does It Have To?

We have paved an ungodly amount of land to park our cars, so why does it seem like it’s never enough?

Slate

@futurebird it’s a vicious cycle. In suburban areas with car-centric culture:

- Zoning rules require buildings to include a certain amount of parking, to accommodate the additional demand

- That parking is often provided using an ocean of asphalt, reducing density

- Walking is harder and public transportation is less feasible, leading most people to use driving as their default mode of transportation.

- This leads to the adoption of zoning rules that require “adequate” parking…

@futurebird You don’t pay a lot for parking… unless you need healthcare. Those hospital lots are expensive. I think a lot of parking spaces function like advertising - a way to suck in the demographic businesses are after. We’ll give you a free spot for your Telluride, and in return you can fill it full of stuff you’re buying at our big box store.
@futurebird Suppose I have a car and I have to go to 5 different places today ( which is a sensible assumption), I need 5 different spaces right? I understand that the same space is used by a lot of cars. But how much space is too much? We need to speak about that before declaring this 1000000000 as too much.
@futurebird car dependent infrastructure is one of the worst thing happened to humanity

@futurebird @ixtility I know I’m just repeating your point in a less subtle way, but here goes regardless:

There is no such thing as a libertarian Libertarian. They are all just racist fucks who learned the opposite lesson of the point of all the sci-fi they read.

@futurebird This was a good 99% Invisible episode on the subject: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/paved-paradise/
Paved Paradise - 99% Invisible

Parking, quite literally, has a death grip on America: each year a handful of Americans are tragically killed by their fellow citizens over parking spots. But even when we don’t resort to violence, we routinely do ridiculous things for parking, contorting our professional, social, and financial lives to get a spot. In the century since

99% Invisible
@futurebird if a libertarian wants to drive somewhere they are free to buy up some land and build their own road.
@futurebird I just finished this book, which supports what you say, and a lot more. (This is a review with links inside of the book: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/09/1174962751/paved-paradise-examines-how-parking-has-changed-the-american-landscape)
@futurebird The libertarian response to this would be (I would think) is that free parking is rarely free, but rather an exchange for you to spend money at a business. Sure, parking at a mall is free, but it’s expected that you spend money at the mall.
@blitzen @futurebird we libertarians disapprove of building codes that require parking to be available before new business construction is permitted.
@ech @futurebird would that not be a different issue? Regardless of regulation, I’d presume even a Libertarian-ᴙ-Us would consider providing parking to its customers.
@futurebird The funny thing is that we pay a lot for parking at Canadian hospitals.
@futurebird libertarian here: my head didn't explode, but I'm not happy about those laws you mentioned.

@futurebird You pay for parking when you use the services/stores that pay for that parking.

If you go a grocery store, your dollars spent at that store go to pay the rent for the building. That building's rent goes to pay parking lot upkeep.

I drive into Philadelphia. I have to pay $20+ each time I visit a doctor.

Sometimes the fees are overt, sometimes they're hidden. There are always fees. Someone has to pay for that parking. Used or not.

@futurebird

Average parking spot in the US is 9 feet x 18 feet, or 162 square feet. 162,000,000,000 square feet is 5811 square miles. That's 1.25 NYC Metropolitan Area in parking spaces; 2x Atlanta proper.

@futurebird while trees die of thirst in hotter climates
@futurebird you know this is government mandated right? Libertarians would oppose this
@aidan_ I’ve never seen them bring it up. Nor have they ever helped when we’ve worked to get such rules removed. You see I *thought* it’d be a good coalition issue— we even isolated it from other initiatives— the only libertarians who deigned to respond were hopping mad and opposed.
@futurebird @aidan_ i've found the only kind of person who self-identifies as a "libertarian" or similar only cares about their own freedom to be obnoxious

@futurebird 100% this. A good portion of what drove me from "Libertarian" back when I swung that way was most of 'em just weren't smart enough to see that what they really wanted was a continuation of the subsidies that was creating the world they lived in.

@aidan_

@futurebird okay. I consider myself fairly libertarian and I brought it up

@futurebird @aidan_

You apparently don't know the right libertarians. Or maybe you only know *right* libertarians, if you know what I mean.

(I, for one, oppose it. Pretty sure it's come up more than a few times in my circles where we sit around and bitch about bloody stupid top-down attempts to hammer square solutions onto round problems, too.)

@futurebird https://www.sambutler.us/costs-of-car-economy-bike-transit

According to a 2019 study by Harvard [1], the public cost of the car economy is $5,645 per person per year. (The private cost is $6,000/year per car.)

Together, the cost of maintaining the U.S. car economy is $3.5 trillion per year.
In the communities with significant bike infrastructure, the public cost is $150 per person per year. (The private cost is $500/year per bike.)

In the communities significant public transit, the operating costs are $1,230 per person per year. (The private cost of transit is $720/year per rider).

Together, the cost of a bike and transit economy in the U.S. is $0.862 trillion per year.

[1] https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/01/massachusetts-car-economy-costs-64-billion-study-finds/#:~:text=A%20team%20of%20graduate%20students,that%20coming%20from%20public%20funds.

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Costs of the Car Economy (and moving to Bikes and Transit)

Exploring the public and private costs of the car economy, and comparing to the bike and transit economy

@futurebird around where I live a lot of people seem to need 2 space to park their cars
@futurebird only in the burbs. You go in the city, expect to pay for parking. Or get it validated.

@Skyliting @futurebird Even where parking is paid, it may be severely underpriced!

My city only very recently made it possible to eliminate parking minimums in building requirements.