The “automatically remove books from the school library when a parent objects” movement in one quote:

Context: from an article explaining that this woman — who objected to a poem read at Biden’s inauguration being available in the school library - also “accidentally” posted stuff about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

https://www.jta.org/2023/05/24/united-states/the-florida-mom-who-got-amanda-gormans-poem-restricted-says-shes-sorry-for-promoting-the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

The Florida mom who sought to ban Amanda Gorman’s poem says she’s sorry for promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

The activist apologized to JTA and to “the Jewish community” for sharing the antisemitic forgery on her Facebook page.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

@Popehat
The Florida mom with ties to the #ProudBoys who got books banned stated that she has not read the entirety of the books and poems she has asked to remove from the school library.

“I want to apologize to the Jewish community,” Salinas told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency on Wednesday. She apologized for a Facebook post she shared offering a summary of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious antisemitic forgery written more than a century ago in Russia.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744175

Florida mom behind poem ban says sorry for promoting 'Elders of Zion'

The Florida mom stated that she has not read the entirety of the books and poems she has asked to remove from the school library.

The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com
@GreenFire @Popehat sorry, folks, you can't Urkel your way out of unironically reposting the Protocols.
@BoloBoffin @GreenFire @Popehat Or even ironically. Are you familiar with @Popehat ’s “rule of goats”?

@jbrewer_jera @GreenFire @Popehat I was just thinking, what's an acceptable ironic reposting of that rot?

It's pretty much limited to critical and corrective only... "You did this??? This is bad! You should feel bad for doing this. Boo on you!"

I am not familiar with the law of goats, no.

@BoloBoffin @GreenFire @Popehat ‘s Rule of Goats: “If you fuck a goat, even if you say you're doing it ironically, you're still a goat-fucker.”
@Popehat @GreenFire As a member of The Jewish Community (tm), apology NOT accepted and she can fuck herself right in her stupid face.

@GreenFire @Popehat

"I want to apologize to the Jewish community. I didn't mean to post the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I just wanted to tell people that I wish you all hurry up and die so Christians can have their apocalypse... oh wait, is that offensive, too? I'm sorry, I'm not a thinker. I'm not a brain person. I'm just a mom involved in my children's education."

@GreenFire @Popehat Well, she seems to be capable of still feeling shame in this one specific area, so I suppose that’s something.
@GreenFire @Popehat So this one deranged individual’s voice outweighs us all? Is that justice, or democracy?
@Popehat Oh, so the woman who is part of Moms for Liberty and likes the Proud Boys is like "oops, I don't mean the anti-semitic parts?" Okaaaaayyyyyy
@jeninmotion @Popehat I suppose there must be an edition of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” with the anti-Semitic parts expurgated — packaged with a PG-13 edit of “The 120 Days of Sodom”.

@Popehat This kind of thing could happen to anyone*.

*sufficiently obsessed with a century-old antiemetic conspiracy theory

@PeoriaBummer @Popehat *ponders the notion of an antiemetic conspiracy theory* sounds like something you'd read about in 19th c. Medical journals while they were still practicing purgation based medicine.

@Popehat Her saying that she didn’t read the Elders of Zion and only reacted to the word communism is an honest admission of how rightwingers work these days.

They can’t understand context but look for key trigger words to make assumptions about what they’re reading. That’s why you can routinely debunk them using their own sources because they project their beliefs onto the source material. And if they’re told a source says something they won’t even check the original but imagine they read it.

@biobrain @Popehat

They think having an opinion is enough to require the world to conform to that opinion.

@biobrain @Popehat

Debunking someone has far fewer practical benefits than people imagine.

@staidwinnow I think that depends on how good someone is at debunking. Most people just aren’t very good at it especially if they make the mistake of including insults that people use to deflect from their mistakes, but I’ve found it to be fairly effective.

People will rarely admit they’re wrong in the heat of a debate. The main objective is to get them to doubt their sources and to really think about what they’re saying instead of repeating talking points.

@biobrain

How good has the debunking been on Trump's 30,000+ lies and misleading falsehoods while he was in office?

Forget that, how good has been the debunking of "The 2020 election was stolen"?

I'd say excellent.

Yet, here we are still addressing the "controversy."

When one side refuses to acknowledge the facts, debunking is not going to convince them.

There are no referees most of the time anyway.

@staidwinnow
First off, you’re describing a minority of Americans who gets outsized importance because they’re loud.

And yeah, most people aren’t good at debunking, especially not anyone in the corporate media. They consider fact checking to only be done in specific segments, not all the time.

And more importantly, the people who believe these things don’t listen to them anyway. But I’ve seen it work personally because I’m good at engaging with people. You can’t win if you don’t try.

@staidwinnow @biobrain @Popehat Agreed. Conspiracy theorists and antisemitists don't become better people when you prove them wrong. They just decide that you're part of the conspiracy.

@biobrain @Popehat A child's bare bottom is shown in an illustration in a story about getting ready for bedtime.

The picture is part of a series of illustrations: He's drinking a cup of hot chocolate, brushing his teeth, and being read a bedtime story as he's tucked under covers.

"Pornography!" the pearl-clutchers yell.

The child's bare bottom is only shown as his mom is drying him off after giving him a bath.

Context matters.

@biobrain @Popehat That WaPo article about book banners said they went to Amazon and looked at the books recommended alongside the books they wanted banned to find new targets for banning. They are trying so hard to be offended they have to seek it out.
@biobrain @Popehat “they project their beliefs onto the source” is probably the most accurate explanation yet.

@biobrain @Popehat

so true, but what could be done against that?

🤷

@Popehat did ChatGPT make this character up?
@Popehat and these are the people who get to decide what reading material is available to our children

@Popehat

"Please look away from my anti-semitism posts, I am only talking about my raging racism today"

@Popehat what a strange and unpredictable coincidence
@Popehat
Not surprising because she describes herself as "not a reader" and requires help from others to explain stuff to her.
@Popehat accident? What a joke
@Popehat I'm guessing this is proof we're living in the Matrix?
@Popehat - She loves them Jewish people you guys. It was an honest mistake!
@Popehat “I would like to apologize to the Jewish community so they won’t attack me with their space lasers”
@rmd1023 @Popehat well, those things are powerful. One of the best endgame strategies there is relies on this card
Family Guy - Mel Gibson Apologizes to the Jews

YouTube
@Popehat Yeah, seems like the Rule of Goats applies. 😉
@Popehat
OK, let us find someone who objects to the content of the bible.

@Popehat Seeking to have Amanda Gorman's brilliant poem banned from school libraries or any other library perfectly describes petty-minded racist antisocial anti-Americanism.
America deserves better than that.

#Poetry #Humanity #Equality #Community #Freedom #AmandaGorman #AmericaMoves #UnitedInDiversity #StrongerTogether

@Popehat always really weird how that happens.
@Popehat I thought Mein Kampf was about going camping
@Popehat "She said the books about Cuba that she challenged 'don’t tell the whole story about Cuba, communism, the dictators, their people that are dying and trying to come to America.'"
- Isn't it weird how she want's to teach the "whole story" of Cuba, but thinks teaching the whole story of 'murica is doing a racism against white people.
Or, well, maybe not weird at all as she's someone who posts antisemitism.

@Popehat

I’m confused how censoring the actual books is even on these people’s radar. You’d think they’d begin with the world they know: trying to censor SparkNotes.

@Popehat Can we just please declare Florida a gulag for the terminally ignorant and move on with progress elsewhere?

@Gojira1000 @Popehat

Only if it comes with funding for hundreds of thousands of marginalized people to evacuate, resettle, and support themselves + their families while they find work, maintaining continuity of medical care along the way.

People can't just not be where they are.

@Gojira1000 @Popehat Can we start a Go Fund Me to help people wanting to escape the tyranny of these #facist states? Looking at you #florida #texas and the rest of yall
@Crystal_Fish_Caves @Gojira1000 @Popehat this is a simplified version of my idea. We need to stop supporting these states with federal funds and redirect those funds into transport and housing for those marginalized peoples out of there. The states will crumble in a matter of years. Do NOTHING for them and when they eat each other alive go in and clean up the mess to re-home people. Give them what they want. Its as simple as that.
@Popehat "I'm not a car mechanic but I am a driver! Anyway I demand we remove this part of the engine I don't like."
@Popehat
So, if I don't like the Bible because of the Old Testament violence, it can get removed?

@alextm

@Popehat
Gotta love those double standards 🙄

@Serion @Popehat If the republicans didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.
@alextm @Serion @Popehat the bible contains a lot of cuss words like "shit" and "poon-tang"