Agree! #ElectricCars should work for their owners, not spy on us!
"Electric cars all being designed to become useless without an app controlling them is not inherent to electric car technology itself. It is a result of modern day #consumerism (capitalism) where every single business on the face of the Earth gathers data about you, and earns money from selling #ads to you. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. This is what @pluralistic calls #enshitification."
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I think this statement could go far beyond cars. No device should need to "phone home" and ask if it still allowed to turn on.
I am worried about how everything needs to be connected and companies desire to continue to make money after the product is sold.
Imagine the story of the HP printer which disabled itself because the user ended their replacement ink problem. Now think about connected kitchen appliances like stove, fridge, or micro. Oh, you want to make ice? Pay an extra $300 and we can enable your ice maker. Want to use the broil feature in your oven? Pay some more. And you'll need to pay monthly or per use.
It's getting out of hand I think and we need to get governments that realize this to step in and tell them to knock it off.
@FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic New Jersey appears to be one of the first in the US to be working on a ban of pay-as-you-go upgrade / subscription schemes from automakers:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/new-jersey-legislators-aim-to-ban-most-in-car-subscriptions
@badtux @FisherTX14 …and at some point you have to replace the battery for the fob, which is next level crazy if you stop to think about it.
My fob contains an actual key which can be used to run the car but it’s a little tricky to access it.
@FisherTX14 @badtux Stephen Ambrose made an interesting observation in his book, ‘Citizen Soldiers’. When a tank or truck broke down, US soldiers could usually fix it because a lot of them worked on cars in civilian life. My dad taught me to change a tire, change my oil, refill wiper fluid, etc etc when I got my first car. Today you need a computer to diagnose problems with an engine.
At least with my EV no one can tell me i need transmission fluid or an oil change. 🙂
@FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic What definitely needs to stop are any and all schemes where corporations try to restrict usage of stuff owned by those who bought it.
Software on physical property? Already paid for.
Pay-once software, e.g. computer game? Already paid for like when buying a physical DVD -> one owns (!) the thing.
Online-subscriptions, buyable updates, DLCs, etc. - well, once paid for ...
It would be so simple.
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The worst thing imo is, that it often _isn't_ "pay us, or we cut you off".
It's more like "oh yeah, we shut down the server, cause we don't sell this model anymore" or "we forgot we sold you this" or a company going bankrupt. So an appliance, that could function for 20 years is becoming useless after 5 for no real reason. That's just stupid.
@cyberspice @FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic It must be said that we decided to go for an s/h older Miele with no connectivity, then had it serviced and repaired. Mainly because Miele have a really solid reputation for incredible longevity and pretty decent repairability in their dishwashers.
I'm a big fan of fixed older appliances.
Doesn't help with the energy efficiency part though :-/
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In the late 1990's early 00's a car dealer from Detroit "Mel Farr, Superstar" was famous for predatory loans for new and used cars would have installed Lo-Jack and remote shut offs.
https://youtu.be/YnesVqoOPwA
Sub-prime loans with usurious interest rates. But for many in Detroit and other cities with under-represented minorities, it was the only chance to keep a job because the bus systems are soooooooo terrible. I think he also lobbied against bussing, to keep his market, but i can't find references to reinforce my recollection of that era.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Farr
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/starter-cut-off-devices-keep-car-payments-coming/article_be4dfa8d-48bb-5d4c-9734-c93404c63250.html
@FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic I don’t want any device in my home to send data outside my home. It’s my data, my life. Not theirs.
I think that the collection, storage, and trade of other’s data should be illegal.
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