@ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic

Agree! #ElectricCars should work for their owners, not spy on us!

"Electric cars all being designed to become useless without an app controlling them is not inherent to electric car technology itself. It is a result of modern day #consumerism (capitalism) where every single business on the face of the Earth gathers data about you, and earns money from selling #ads to you. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. This is what @pluralistic calls #enshitification."

@richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic

I think this statement could go far beyond cars. No device should need to "phone home" and ask if it still allowed to turn on.

I am worried about how everything needs to be connected and companies desire to continue to make money after the product is sold.

Imagine the story of the HP printer which disabled itself because the user ended their replacement ink problem. Now think about connected kitchen appliances like stove, fridge, or micro. Oh, you want to make ice? Pay an extra $300 and we can enable your ice maker. Want to use the broil feature in your oven? Pay some more. And you'll need to pay monthly or per use.

It's getting out of hand I think and we need to get governments that realize this to step in and tell them to knock it off.

@FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic @pyoor We were looking for a new dishwasher. Finding a good quality, energy efficient, unconected one was impossible. So we ended up reading reviews and finding those connected ones that didn’t need to be connected. So ours is wifi enabled but that’s turned off. For now you can do this but it worried me that one day you wont be able to!

@cyberspice @FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic It must be said that we decided to go for an s/h older Miele with no connectivity, then had it serviced and repaired. Mainly because Miele have a really solid reputation for incredible longevity and pretty decent repairability in their dishwashers.

I'm a big fan of fixed older appliances.

Doesn't help with the energy efficiency part though :-/

@pyoor @cyberspice @FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic my Miele dishwasher has disappointed. It doesn't phone home, but it doesn't like having lots of plates put in it and needs regular cleaning cycles. Wish I'd stuck with Bosch.
@Actionreplay @cyberspice @FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic That's a shame. To be fair, ours is probably 15 years old ;-)
@pyoor @Actionreplay @FinnleyDolfin @richardrathe @ramin_hal9001 @pluralistic Ours was at least 22 years old. We’ve rebuilt it more than once!