I've been struggling with this myself, so I thought I'd repeat it for other people that might be dealing with the same thing:

Not every hobby needs to be a project. Not everything needs to be a whole *thing* with a goal and an endpoint. It's okay to not finish something. It's okay to pick up something for a bit, explore it, start making something, and then drop it without making any "progress".

Productivity is capitalist bullshit that doesn't need to infect your free time too. Have some fun

Which isn't to say you can't have goals. If that helps you, go for it. My point is just that you don't need to measure yourself based on how far you get on something. You're still just as valuable and interesting even if you never finish anything.

So often I tie myself in knots because I feel like I need to finish a project that I've started before I move on to anything else. I don't need to. I'm allowed to dabble in something and then move on. This isn't a competition. This isn't a job.

@malcircuit quite so. It'd be interesting to see if society could approach a lot of actual jobs like that too. I mean, not things like being a paramedic, of course, but academia springs to mind, and how that has become a commercial production line of late, at least in the UK.
@malcircuit I often don't start something out of guilt and fear that I will not commit to complete it. 😐
@malcircuit I feel like we should expect this from our jobs, too. Goals if they are useful for you. “Doing my best” if that’s better.
@malcircuit
I'll tell that to my six year old who has started several projects and not finished any of them. She's turning things that could be useful/pretty into junk.

@AndyLGAtkins @malcircuit

Dude, she's six years old.

Also, there is no junk. There's useful raw materials that can be recycled into the next bright idea. :D

@malcircuit

Hard agree, but for me, I felt a lot better about myself when I started making it a goal to finish at least some of my projects, even when they were just for fun.

I realized that by giving up on something when it stopped being fun, I was training myself to expect failure and to never finish anything. So now I (sometimes) push though and usually find I'm enjoying working on it after a bit.

But yeah, do it for *you*.

@malcircuit
I was the curious kid. Grew up to the tune of "you never finish anything". I'd answer "I got it, not that interesting it turns out" or "Not many things deserve to be finished". Somehow, sustained 3-4 major interests. My (strong personality, critical) Grandma eventually uttered one day "let her do it, she knows how how to do everything". An gross exaggeration, of course, but yeah, I can manage a thing ot two...
@malcircuit thank you. And it is totally ok, to pause with a thing. For years. And if you still feel love for it, it is ok to keep it with love and no progress. For years.
@malcircuit Have you ever read Taran Wanderer? It’s the perfect antidote for me whenever I feel this way
@malcircuit Strong agree. I start a lot more projects than I finish. How are you meant to know how great it's going to be until you've tried it ?

@malcircuit I feel - I've been thinking about this - that this reluctance to give up on a project is a leftover from childhood, from being taught not to give up too easily.

And I think it's still true that we shouldn't abandon projects too readily, because of a whim or a temporary lack of enthusiasm.

Maybe the question is how to distinguish bad reasons from good reasons.

@malcircuit
exactly this 👏👏 ~ people also seem to be pressured into commodifying their hobbies so they become a side-hustle rather than something you do for pure pleasure!
@malcircuit Hard agree. And furthermore, you can be very skilled at your hobby without ever making it into a side hustle. You can just make things for fun.
@AlexKourvo Yup, that's exactly the capitalist bullshit I'm talking about. Everything has to be a project that gets finished *so you can use it as a way to make money or to improve your marketable skills*. At least that's often the trap I fall into. It's okay to do stuff just for funsies
@malcircuit I make beautiful artisan soap. I give bars to my friends. They say, "Do you sell this?" and then I want to scream.
@AlexKourvo @malcircuit I think they are complimenting your artistry. 👍(Of course you don’t have to sell them nor measure their worth by whether you can sell them.)
@lacochran @malcircuit That is true. I know they mean well. But how sad is it that the most complimentary thing they can say is, "This is worth money."
@malcircuit @AlexKourvo and you also don't need to be great at it. I still struggle with this.

@PamW @malcircuit @AlexKourvo

Yes exactly. If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly!

@malcircuit Thank you for reminding me. I get caught in this trap sometimes and forget that what I'm doing I'm supposed to be doing it because I enjoy it and don't need to make it into a job.
@malcircuit
I have removed most of the shoulds from my life. I do what I want when I want and say no a lot. Because I'm retired, widowed and live blissfully alone I don't have hard and fast responsibilities to others and I'm done taking care of everyone but myself. I have never been happier (actually I had never been happy, If I'm honest). This is the way. #anticapitalism

@malcircuit wrote:

"Productivity is capitalist bullshit (that doesn't need to infect your free time too)"

You were doing really well until this bit here.

"Capitalism", when poorly implemented, can be, has been and is exploitative and denies people the opportunity to do their "own stuff".

But surely some "other economic models" can also be slightly unforgiving wrt. those leisure time opportunities? If we're talking about from 20th century onwards...

Maybe there are "capitalistic" implementations that are in fact quite beneficial towards leisure activities when compared to those non- or anticapitalistic systems?

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[update] Fair enough. I see #anticapitalism is *The Cause* here so any nuance may come across as 'against' it.

With the other far end of the spectrum (far right) deriding all forms of socialism as evil, Europeans — with a democratically determined *mix of both* #capitalism and #socialism — must really be living in a hellish #dystopia... especially those in the #Nordics, the happiest corner of the world.

@malcircuit I felt this!! I love trying new things out, but it doesn’t mean I have to commit to them if they turn out to not be a good fit. It’s very liberating being able to decide what you spend your precious free time on - ‘Jack of all trades’ should be a compliment!

@BrisVegas There's a book that I read (and never finished lol 😅) called Range where the author argues that exploring many things *is essential* to finding what you love and what you're really good at.

https://davidepstein.com/the-range/

Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized world

Range : Why generslists thiumph in a specialised world is Epstein's latest book. He examined world's top performers, inventors, forecasters, thletes, artists.

David Epstein
@malcircuit I've been pondering this for a while. Recently because I haven't got my 2023 planner ready yet. In the past, I've thought about productivity and project management systems and wondered what role being unproductive has in one's health and in decolonizing our minds and thinking. I'm not going to turn it into another project though. Another line of thought that needs notes and citations. 😆

@notes There's a lot of evidence that being "unproductive" is essential to a healthy mind. In exactly the same way that you shouldn't workout everyday, you can't be mentally focused all the time. Your body — and your mind — needs time to recover and build up for the next time.

I read a book about this once (that I never finished lol 😅), for what it's worth.
https://thegrowtheq.com/books/peak-performance/

Peak Performance - The Science of Success - The Growth Equation

Peak Performance Elevate Your Game, Avoid Burnout, And Thrive with The New Science of Success Take your game to the next level, whatever your game may be. Uncovering the unique and powerful insights that underlie performance across domains. ABOUT THE BOOK A few common principles drive performance, regardless of the field or the task at…

The Growth Equation
@malcircuit thanks for that reference
@malcircuit After almost burning out at work and then continuing to bust myself up over hobby "projects" on vacation this is exactly what I needed going into the new year. Thank you for sharing!
@malcircuit It's perfectly fine to do a hobby for fun & then to stop doing it because it is no longer providing the level of fun you want.
@malcircuit My problem used to be that every interest needed to be a hobby. Thankfully now I've learned to leave some things to the professionals and live vicariously, lol. I have enough hobbies and my unfinished personal projects number well into the 100s.
@malcircuit I do miss having the spare time to commit to powering through the more grindy parts of a project though. Now it's hard to even get through the fun parts because I'm too busy adulting (aka paying off the debts of my youth).
@gordoooo_z Yeah, I feel the same way. Doing some of the more tedious stuff can be fun sometimes, but it's often hard to justify spending the extra time on it.
@malcircuit I definitely needed to hear this. Thank you. 🙂
@malcircuit Thank you for saying this! I took up knitting again recently, and instead of trying to jump into a complicated sweater or something right away, I'm just making really simple scarves, first for my family, and now to donate. It's mainly to keep my hands busy while watching TV. It doesn't have to be Olympic level difficulty!
@malcircuit I really hope I can take this excellent message to heart. Also? F crochet
@malcircuit It's also fine to have a hobby that's basically a project that never ends, like an old wooden sailboat in a barn that supposedly is getting rebuilt and repaired but goes on for years and years and really is just a good excuse to go out to the barn and get away from everything for a while.
@malcircuit I think about it less as productivity (showing how much I can achieve or complete) but that I have the capability to achieve or complete just a single thing that I set my mind to. I've struggled with this for decades (thread): https://mastodon.social/@arclight/109610354357495259
@malcircuit Amen. Playtime, pure process with no necessary endpoint, is so foundational for brain health, child or adult. We are not widgets.
@malcircuit I agree 100%. As Kurt Vonnegut Jr told us, we’re here on Earth to fart around.
@malcircuit I am deeply committed to productivity, _and_ I like to think the concept can be stretched to what you describe: curiosity, flirting with hobbies, letting things drop. At the same time, you're making me think about the word and its connection to capitalism, so thanks!
@malcircuit I'm learning that I don't need to finish a book if I don't want to. It's even permissible to read some of the book.

@malcircuit something I learned rather recently -- and I needed someone else to say the words -- is that I don't have to finish **every** book, movie, videogame or TV show I start.

Some things just aren't worth my time.
Some other things are, but maybe I've gotten everything I need from it and priorities have shifted.

I've since gotten better at dropping out when I feel things turning into "work" or rather "effort" and my mental health has improved significantly.

@malcircuit We crocheters and knitters know all about this. Our various cupboards, drawers and bags are stuffed with WIPs and UFOs. So much that all of use and know these terms all the time!
@malcircuit I've been getting around this one by having projects called "Try X". Once I've gotten far enough to see whether X is interesting/fun/useful, that's it; goal achieved.
@malcircuit This very much hits home for me. I've been feeling for ages as though I'm not really doing my hobbies because I'm no "achieving" any "goals" through them so thanks for the reminder that I don't have to! Will try to remember this for 2023...
@malcircuit Everything has value, we just don't realise that value can't be measured.
@malcircuit very culpable of this. Needed to hear it.

@malcircuit any process, project, creativity, and having the privilege to be able to do so, just gives me purpose. If any personal learning comes from that then great! The ‘work’ place, and how society is structured rarely enables inclusive purpose, and meaning.

https://mastodon.lol/@malcircuit/109621312506636514

Mallory 🏳️‍⚧️ (@[email protected])

I've been struggling with this myself, so I thought I'd repeat it for other people that might be dealing with the same thing: Not every hobby needs to be a project. Not everything needs to be a whole *thing* with a goal and an endpoint. It's okay to not finish something. It's okay to pick up something for a bit, explore it, start making something, and then drop it without making any "progress". Productivity is capitalist bullshit that doesn't need to infect your free time too. Have some fun

Mastodon.lol
@malcircuit work could be inclusively, enabling and meaningful, especially when you think how much time is spent doing it. #WellbeingEconomy
@malcircuit Sharing the row of “unfinished” books and periodicals by my bed. Some are going on years.