amber🌈ammoliteDec 19, 2022
Chris Trottier

Notice something interesting from this Wired article?

Media is already branding Mastodon as "Twitter's most popular alternative".

Not Post, not Hive, not Gab—it's Mastodon.

And once a media narrative takes shape, that becomes the story.
https://www.wired.com/story/mastodon-features-that-twitter-should-steal-but-wont/

Mastodon Features That Twitter Should Steal (but Won’t)

Elon Musk's platform could learn a thing or two from its most popular alternative—like how to build a social platform people actually want to be on.

WIRED
Dec 19, 2022 at 6:56amWeb
Show threadChris PirilloDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet ...I'm thinking that as more viable third-party clients become available, it'll accelerate attention through better onboarding UX. Ivory, itself, will convert many holdouts.
Show threadKyleDavidEDec 19, 2022
@ChrisPirillo I'm hoping one day we get something like Sam Ruston's flamingo. That app is still fantastic and really only held back by the limits of Twitter's API.
Show threadChris PirilloDec 19, 2022
@KyleDavidE ...yeah, that was my favorite as well. Terrible shame. Maybe he'll get bitten by the Mastodon bug?
Show threadKyleDavidEDec 19, 2022
@ChrisPirillo one can hope...
Show threadSHODAN Dec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet Momentum for now seems to be on its side imo. What's interesting to me is that if you go back to the format war that VHS won, momentum basically won that format as it became impossible to challenge VHS' foothold. This feels currently very much like a modern day format war and it's interesting to see the parallels.
Show threadeathdemonDec 19, 2022
@SHODAN @atomicpoet does it? so far it seems to only be grabing the more tech savy, the less tech savy are going to host.
Show threadSHODAN Dec 19, 2022
@eathdemon @atomicpoet which is why I said for now. Could all change but that momentum is not without merit.
Show threadRJDDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet difference here is the rules will be the same tomorrow and I won't be banned while I sleep for something I don't know about...
Show threadCyber YukiDec 19, 2022
@Rjdlandscapes @atomicpoet And even if they change, you can just move servers. Or open alternative accounts on different servers for different purposes, even with the same e-mail. You can't do that on Twitter. At least, not for free.
Show threadtestingDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet
i'm sure that it is not only about some kind of ersatz / substitute for the birdcage > the next time, meta will get hit hard...

just 1 example:
yesterday, in a very rural area close to some volcano far away from big touristic places, i introduced some indonesian peasant to misskey (there is an indonesian misskey instance)

the indonesian peasant got the ​​ right within a few minutes (i was shaken!) & he was like: man, functionally, this is better than fb or else & i can still federate with many other applications on the fedi & make friends all over the planet
Show threadSpace Catitude 🚀Dec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet

It's literally true, according to that report from Dewey Square Group. Mastodon is by far the most popular. Hive was a distant second. Post is a flyspeck.

https://www.deweysquare.com/2022/12/new-report-from-dewey-digital-snapshot-of-twitter-migration/

New Report from Dewey Digital: Snapshot of Twitter Migration | Dewey Square Group

Dewey Digital examines recent Twitter migration to other social media platforms and analyzes which platforms are growing, by tracking number of...

Dewey Square Group
Show threadCarole BellDec 19, 2022

@TerryHancock @atomicpoet

Thank you.

The most complete report I've seen on what's happening to social media.

http://www.deweysquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSG-Snapshot-of-the-Twitter-Migration-December-12-2022.pdf

Show threadOblomovDec 19, 2022
@TerryHancock @atomicpoet I'm impressed by Hive's ongoing success, given the security nightmare it was shown to be.
Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyDec 19, 2022

@oblomov @TerryHancock @atomicpoet Hive is a product aimed at Apple and the iOS user.

Their exit strategy is to be bought by Apple as a controllable Twitter alternative.

The Hive user is not concerned by security, sustainability or safety. They are concerned by familiarity and usability. Hence the iOS app is supposedly great. The android app I'm told very much less so.

#Hive #HiveSecurity #HiveProblems #SocialMedia #TwitterAlternative

Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyDec 19, 2022
@oblomov @TerryHancock @atomicpoet also: I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I think "follow the money" is always the key.
Show threadOblomovDec 19, 2022
@Homebrewandhacking @TerryHancock @atomicpoet
do we know who's funding it?
Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyDec 19, 2022

@oblomov @TerryHancock @atomicpoet

https://thoughtful.social/@Carole_Bell/109539210111090890 that link page 12 is I think there's info there.

Carole Bell (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] Thank you. The most complete report I've seen on what's happening to social media. http://www.deweysquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSG-Snapshot-of-the-Twitter-Migration-December-12-2022.pdf

Mastodon
Show threadeathdemonDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet does wired have a big enough readership to nodge things? current split seems to be more techicly savay are drifting to mastordon, while the less are going to host. that split seems to be a big issue. for a platform to win it needs both.
Show threadAGTMADCAT 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼🇵🇸Dec 19, 2022
@eathdemon @atomicpoet You're not wrong, but we techy folk usually bring a fair few friends and family along when we adopt things, so we're probably more likely to see growth here over time as we all get set up and comfortable.
Show threadJohnWDec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet There's something I noticed when moving to Mastodon. A feeling of being unrestricted. So much is suppressed these days and people are looking for an out, without conditions.

I think that's why it will continue growing to the top. It doesn't even need to label it a competition.

Winning just by hanging out and doing good for people. It's a great concept.

Show threadrag. Gustavino BevilacquaDec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet

Now, if Wired will start its own instance and replace the quick link to twitter with a quick link to their own instance, that would be perfect.

Show threadChris TrottierDec 19, 2022
@GustavinoBevilacqua Agreed!
Show threadDerek BraudersDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet that's quite a good article on #Mastodon vs Twitter experience. It's also interesting to see how Musk is referred to in it.
Show threadTransitBikerDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet Critical mass soon!
Show threadBilly SmithDec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet

It was only yesterday that i found out that the early Twitter apps were all created by 3rd parties, and not by Twitter.

Twitter was very open to working with other people, which is why they got the traction that they did. :D

When looking at Twitter last week, I can't help but think of what happened to FreeNode.

Show threadChris TrottierDec 19, 2022
@BillySmith Yep, I worked on the #1 third party Twitter client for 7 years.
Show threadMark GardnerDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet Feel free to share the attached countermeasure against that narrative
Show threadChris TrottierDec 19, 2022

@mjgardner Hmmm... I disagree.

The analogue to email protocols is Fediverse protocols.

Mastodon is software that interacts with the Fediverse protocols. So I guess its analogue would be Outlook.

But even further, what protocols like ActivityPub are meant to do is delivery functions that most people want out of Twitter -- in that sense, it is competition.

Show threadMark GardnerDec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet I'm also comparing the company you keep in each.

But if it sounds like I'm comparing apples to oranges… well, the narrative is already a fruit basket

Show threadAGTMADCAT 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼🇵🇸Dec 19, 2022
@mjgardner @atomicpoet That doesn't make any sense, though.
Show threadMark GardnerDec 19, 2022
@AGTMADCAT @atomicpoet That’s the point
Show threadMattDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet I joined Mastodon then Post. So far Mastodon feels more like Twitter in a good way, but I have many more followers on Post. Here I still feel like I’m boosting and tooting largely to myself. Long term Mastodon seems the better technology
Show threadChris TrottierDec 19, 2022
@MattFerrel What about actual interactions?
Show threadMattDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet on both so far it seems to be people posting stuff and following each other to find their tribes. Most interaction has been about how to use the platforms, though that is starting to change. One person here let me know my profile was locked which explained the limited reaction so I’ve changed that. Also need to adapt to no algorithms and use hashtags.
Show threadamyseekstruthDec 19, 2022
@MattFerrel @atomicpoet can’t get on post but it’s getting easier to navigate here.
Show threadmsgbiDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet @charles_ex @aloa5 @Ginger149
Show threadEvilGinger- Queen of NapsDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet You know Dorsey is paying attention, and jotting down notes about what people want and use here, so he can "steal" those features for his project.
I am betting the second BlueSky comes out of Beta it will be the new poster child. Honestly kind of surprised that the media isn't already running featured stories on it, trying to hype it.
Show threadSir Dr Rusty o the Isle 🖤💛❤️Dec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet word gets around 😎🥂
Show threadJohn StrandDec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet

True.

Fun fact, before The Godfather the mafia was nothing like the movie at all. They were just dirty thugs.

Check out the book Guns and Garlic by Fred Homer.

Before Hackers, hackers were just an odd collection of tech geeks.

It is odd, but once a message starts to gel, it is very hard to stop.

Show threadAdam DallianceDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet media lies. Facebook is surely the most popular alternative. Instagram also.
Show threadChris TrottierDec 19, 2022
@pre True, but as you also know, Meta has it's problems.
Show threadChasDec 19, 2022

@[email protected]

l'm on Post & on Mastodon

I follow some people who are exclusively one or the other

Others who enjoy the "Freedom" permitted by Zuckerberg & his total BS sites but I no longer follow them, because... well Mark Zuckerberg

What I need in my life is a Mac & iOS app that will allow me to see all my feeds in one place and not an bunch of MSM BS saying I should choose one over another

Show threadRachelDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet John Mastodon would be proud
Show threadThesis PiDec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet

My favourite part of Mastodon is the no Nazis aspect of the platform.

Show threadCautionWIP 🎃+🇨🇦+🏳️‍🌈= Dec 19, 2022
@thesispi @atomicpoet They’re here as well, don’t fool yourself. I got an anti-Semitic toot in my first couple of weeks here. There are just more people per capita willing to block and report, AFAICT.
https://youtu.be/OLkPwxcIji0
Chumbawamba - The day the nazi died

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

YouTube
Show threadThesis PiDec 19, 2022

@cautionwip @atomicpoet

Well, at least it's not encouraged on this platform...

Show threadCautionWIP 🎃+🇨🇦+🏳️‍🌈= Dec 19, 2022
@thesispi @atomicpoet This, I will agree with. Here, have a picture of some kind soul punching a Nazi. Happy Hanukkah!
Show threadAnglophylDec 19, 2022
@atomicpoet
Show thread📎🖐️ Alan Taylor 🎬 📚Dec 19, 2022

@atomicpoet

#Meta? 

Show threadsparseMatrix ✅✅✅ 📻Dec 20, 2022
@atomicpoet ❤️❤️❤️this!
Show threadsparseMatrix ✅✅✅ 📻Dec 20, 2022
@atomicpoet Truth be told, the media misses the point yet again. I don’t really expect anything more from a group who’s eyes can only see dollar signs — but THE REAL story is about the ActivityPub protocol which makes it possible for various platforms to interoperate along lines of common functionality, and delivering the resultant #Fediverse.