Chris James
Daniel MoserIt's official: France bans short haul domestic flights ✈️ in favour of train 🚆 travel 👇👇
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MOVED to @@dmoser how does this work with corsica, considering its only other connection to the mainland is through sea
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Allan Chow@dmoser oh so it's only for routes which have a train line connecting them
that's good then
that's good then
Carla Martin@dmoser Well done France. You are stars. ⭐
Adron 🤘🏻@dmoser @williamslauram smart! Kind of absurd that flights even end up competitive. 🤷🏼♂️
@dmoser Excellent!
drdind@dmoser Wow! that is really interesting.
Alex 🔧🔮🌎🪿
@dmoser "Connecting flights will also have to follow these new rules."
Travel sites globally will need to be upgraded to handle multi-modal travel. Otherwise booking a flight like NYC to Lyon is going to be a huge pain for foreigners.
VAWeisman@dmoser Great start! I appreciate them targeting private jets. Since I’ve started following the Russian oligarch’s jets and Zuckerman’s jet, I had no idea HOW MANY Rick & famous people use their jets like cars and how much carbon pollution just one jet generates! It’s criminal!
@dmoser I REALLY need to check my posts before I publish. Autocorrect is NOT my friend. 🤬
Doctor Tiempo@dmoser 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✊🏻
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RadicalWoman111@dmoser
Kudos to France for all the amazing things they're doing to combat the climate disaster.
Now if Macron would stop with his disastrous Ukraine agenda and get over Australia dropping the nuclear submarine deal to buy American.... 🙄
Marjorie Traitor Greene@dmoser trains in France are great! I applaud them for it.
KiraOnClimate@dmoser Woo hoo!!!
Enrique Barcelli@dmoser this is a significant message. 👍
mc.fly@dmoser so which city couples does that actually effect?
Everything that i can come up with does not have direct flights anymore. Skyscanner does list 0 direct flights from ORY to LYS, BOD, NTE.
The only way to fly there is with a stop in between, often Amsterdam or Nice
A good train offer between those cities actually fixed that already and that's what we need.
Sam Sneddon 🏳️⚧️@mcfly @dmoser https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-greenlights-frances-short-haul-ban-but-only-on-3-routes/ covers how it got watered down to only ORY
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32022D2358&from=FR is the actual decision.
ThePsyOfLife@dmoser Train travel is so much better than air, especially in the cattle cars that the airlines run nowadays.
Stacy AnnI wish that we had better public transportation or a better train system. It is much easier to travel throughout Europe without a car.
Steph
Dash 🇸🇬@dmoser makes me wonder how many more SNCF strikes we will see and how much more expensive their tickets are gonna be... Paris to Lyon can be upwards of 100 euros sometimes.
@dmoser Here is a brief example of Leonard Blavatnik’s jet’s trips TODAY. Tweet show
@vaweisman @dmoser that’s more carbon in one trip than I emit in a month of traveling 70 km each way to work my rural hospital
@dilettante @dmoser EXACTLY! We’re composting, buying the most fuel efficient cars, reducing, reusing, recycling. THEY are doing 45 minute hops that would be a couple/few hours by car and dropping tons of CO2! Some of the entertainers are Kenny Chesney, Jay Z, Kim Kardashian. Blavatnik’s plane is in constant motion. Moscow, London, Tuscany, Africa, New York, Florida. This is a HUGE source of pollution that is not discussed. #pollution #CO2Pollution #CO2 #EPA
Kay Dub@dmoser Wow!! That’s a big change!
@dmoser you can get halfway across the country in about 4-5 hours of driving, I figure a train might be similar. flights may be shorter but with times spent in line at the airport, a drive or a train ride may honestly be the more pleasurable option for a lot of trips
Toxteth O'Grady@dmoser They've been hinting at doing something like this for a while, but I'm not sure it's going to have the impact they desire. And there are aircraft being prepped for the commercial passenger market that rely on alternative power sources (hydrogen, natural gas, electricity), so this may be addressing a problem that has other solutions. We shall see if it does anything about GHGs...
B@dmoser "This prompted an in-depth investigation by the European Commission into whether the plan could go ahead or not." What is going on in their brains, when they start investigating like this? Wtf, any good move and right step is debated while plans for more asphalt/cement and forest destruction are okayed without any f deliberations??
Kondala Palaka@dmoser Hats off to France! In California, distance between San Jose and San Diego is 460 miles. Southwest does it in 1.5 hours; Amtrak takes 13 hours. I'd choose Amtrak if they bring it down to 6-8 hours. Not likely!
nyutag@dmoser
I'm French. For context, Flight Paris-Bordeaux have been canceled since 2020 because the hight speed train (TGV) is quicker. But, their case will be revaluated in 2023. So I'm not so hopefull. And travel by plane is sadly still cheaper because airline don't pay fuel taxes.
I'm French. For context, Flight Paris-Bordeaux have been canceled since 2020 because the hight speed train (TGV) is quicker. But, their case will be revaluated in 2023. So I'm not so hopefull. And travel by plane is sadly still cheaper because airline don't pay fuel taxes.
Laura Sykes #Greeneralia
Just an old goat@dmoser Why would people even WANT to take plane trips that short if trains were available? That feels like maximizing cost and inconvenience.
Ronald Drimmel@dmoser At first glance this sounds cool, but it is a tiny step in the right direction and will have a tiny effect on the impact of flights, where the majority of CO² is being produced by the smaller number of intercontinental flights.
Gary Gough@dmoser
Sounds sensible. Of course where I live everything but aircraft and personal cars have been eliminated. No trains, no buses, ( we had both ) it's fly, drive or hitchhike ( possibly in -40 weather ). The local definition of efficiency seems to be "nobody moves and nobody gets hurt."
Sounds sensible. Of course where I live everything but aircraft and personal cars have been eliminated. No trains, no buses, ( we had both ) it's fly, drive or hitchhike ( possibly in -40 weather ). The local definition of efficiency seems to be "nobody moves and nobody gets hurt."
Pamimi@dmoser They should get their act together regarding strikes, then. It’s hard enough to be hit with a rail strike, but even worse when one of your alternatives disappears.
Nigel Hester@dmoser If only we had a cost-effective and efficient rail system like most European countries, we could do the same.
Jen - It's The Climate, Stupid@dmoser Private jets too?
Elias Mårtenson@dmoser a few years ago I took the train from Paris to Bordeaux. It was incredibly quick (those trains are really fast) and I cannot swear how anyone could ever prefer a flight to that.
It's both faster, and less of a hassle, since the train departs from the middle of the city.
Why did these flights exist in the first place? The only reason I can imagine is some attempt at being convenient for people coming from an international flight and transiting in Paris.
@dmoser This is the way... And when can we talk about curbing excessive meat consumption and incentivizing plant-forward eating? #ClimateMobilizationNeedsAllOfUs
LynneJones@dmoser Good start but, so far, only 3 routes affected!
Fredrik Sarlin@lynnejones @dmoser in sweden 3 routes (sthlm, gbg, malmö) make up 60% of domestic flights
Fifthcolumnblue@dmoser Ah, the advantages of having an efficient, well run, well funded public transport network.
David Shepherd@dmoser The sad thing is that we can’t just hop on the #Eurostar from London to Paris in the same way we go from London to Edinburgh by #train, thanks to our never being in the #Schengen Area and now due to #Brexit. Nevertheless the ban makes sense. Reminded of the time in 1990 I flew from Paris after using a 9 day French Rail Pass and had to rush across Paris from the wrong airport to the right one in 3 hours with no money. A punishment for flying and not using the ferry!
RC 🌳@dmoser short haul is misleading. It has nothing to do with distance. There has to be a train connection shorter than 2.5 hours for it to not be allowed to fly.
Christian Tietze@aligatr That sounds cool! Esp. since trains in France aren't as hit-or-miss as in Germany, IIRC :)
But do you also now expect that there'll be a lobby that ultimately make trains slower so a trip takes longer than 2:30h to unlock flights again?
Olivier Halligon@ctietze I'm not sure that would happen. And wouldn't that only be realistically possible if ✈️ companies had real hold on 🚆 companies to _slow down their trains_? I can see ✈️ lobbying to make it _more_ difficult to connect between 🚆 and ✈️ (tho connections are already in place in eg CDG so…) or maybe try preventing new/faster 🚆 lines to be created; but I don't really see how they'd make _existing_ 🚆 lines (and TGV themselves) be slower?
Sven A. Schmidt@finestructure @aligatr I wasn't completely serious there: I have no clue how to achieve a slow-down of trains (perform track repairs and mandate lower max speeds while repairs are done, and then the usage stats become useless?) -- it's just that if there's a value like "2.5hrs", I'm afraid there'll be people to try to game the regulation.
@ctietze @finestructure but how would ✈️ companies have a hold on those "do train track reparations and mandate slow down of 🚆"? Wouldn't only 🚆 company itself, or the gov, have hold on that to be able to mandate such thing? But that wouldn't be in either's interest… so don't see it happening?
Again, only thing I could imagine be possible is for ✈️ to reduce/hinder efforts to do partnerships with 🚆 for •future• ✈️↔️🚆 connection agreements?
Again, only thing I could imagine be possible is for ✈️ to reduce/hinder efforts to do partnerships with 🚆 for •future• ✈️↔️🚆 connection agreements?
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Benjamin@dmoser Although I think it is a goo news from my country, I suspect they limited the 2.5h because Bordeaux paris is 3h, thefore they can still take planes to make this travel or similar ones.
Sue GoganianTake a train instead!
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