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AnilWhen it came time to reckon with social media’s failings, nobody ran to the “web3” platforms. Nobody asked “can I get paid per message”? Nobody asked about the blockchain. The community of people who’ve been quietly doing this work for years (decades!) ended up being the ones who welcomed everyone over, as always.
Cassandra Granade@anildash Honestly, that's about the most damning indictment of web3 that I could imagine. If it was everything that its proponents claimed, now would truly be its time to shine.
Natanael ⚠️
Koda@Natanael_L @cgranade @anildash As Mastodon gains in popularity, it will become the target of scams. Enjoy this time, it won't last long.
SolarAquarion@zaskoda
Mastodon can't be "Scammed" in the usual metric because the service is Federated. It's an annoyance because then you need to choose your federation, but it's also a strength, as long as a server is up Mastodon will be there
@Natanael_L @cgranade @anildash
Mastodon can't be "Scammed" in the usual metric because the service is Federated. It's an annoyance because then you need to choose your federation, but it's also a strength, as long as a server is up Mastodon will be there
@Natanael_L @cgranade @anildash
@SolarAquarion I love decentralization. However, email is federated and this has not prevented email scams.
@zaskoda
It's much harder to "defederate" from scammy email servers, compared to Mastodon.
It's much harder to "defederate" from scammy email servers, compared to Mastodon.
Steffen Christensen@Natanael_L @cgranade @anildash In a crisis of banking confidence, no one goes to the same-day loan office.
Alex Hanna@anildash so glad I haven't seen the phrase DAO since coming over here
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Kishau Rogers@anildash a huge missed opportunity for web3 platforms.
@kishau they only revealed what they were really about all along
Christina Hendriks@anildash I am truly thankful for them. I really mean that.
Adam Gurri@anildash web3 has to be the fakest jargon ever rolled out by VCs trying to get people excited for their crappy investments lol
Peter Rojas@anildash What I find especially encouraging is that you don't have to be suspicious of the motives of anyone promoting Mastodon (or the fediverse more generally), there isn't some scammy token to pump and dump. It's refreshing.
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Simon Willison
like jam or bootlacesabsolutely there are NFT web3 coinbros on the fediverse
just like there's all sorts of other awful stuff
from this account I don't, and maybe on your instances you don't, tend to see them
but if you go looking for them you don't even need to sign up on one of their instances ... loose federation helps keep them at a distance, but it also can be a bit leaky
you can find them through the open-registration, lightly moderated, big instances, usually
I mean, just look at some of the entities that have sponsored Eugen's efforts
@simon @anildash @idlestate I have no doubt that there are crypto servers out there. But the fediverse itself doesn't run on a blockchain and so there are none of the awful incentives that accompany "web3" projects. And it's telling that those people aren't opting to use a blockchain-based product rather than Mastodon.
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Les Orchard@martinweigert @PeterR @anildash what "whole thing"? Check and see if your local instance takes donations or sells merch or has a patreon
@lmorchard @PeterR @anildash That works at the current scale. But less likely at 50 million or 100 million users. If Mastodon ever should get there.
@martinweigert @PeterR @anildash The scaling model is to divide all those users up by local instances, and you help fund for those
@martinweigert @PeterR @anildash The idea is there isn't one big "Mastodon" - it's software used by many people to build a network between many people.
Each node in the network is self-funded, in one way or another. Whether out of pocket from the sysop and/or contributions from the users.
If the network of nodes reaches 100 million user scale, it'll be because this worked. Or it won't. It's not a VC-funded growth-at-all-cost company
Strypey@lmorchard
> The idea is there isn't one big "Mastodon" - it's software used by many people to build a network
It's not even the only piece of software used in the fediverse. There's a whole bunch of others, some of them micro-posting services like Mastodon (Pleroma, Misskey), others federating totally different kinds of social media over the same network*, photoblogging (PixelFed), videos (PeerTube), forums (Lemmy), and more.
rcr@strypey @lmorchard @martinweigert @PeterR @anildash I need to ask this now once, though it will make me look like a completely ignorant person - is diaspora part of the fediverse, technically, I mean? Can you link it so your post sent in diaspora reach the fediverse, and is it possible to read post from instances running mastadon in diaspora? I get the impression this is not possible, is that right?
@rcr
Good question. Diaspora only federates over its own protocol. Mastodon only federates over the ActivityPub protocol. So we can't communicate directly with Diaspora users from Mastodon or vice-versa. But because there are fedi apps that speak both protocols (Friendica, Hubzilla, SocialHome), we do count Diaspora as part of the family. In a hermit uncle hiding in the woods eating squirrels kind of way ;)
@strypey @lmorchard @martinweigert @PeterR @anildash Thanks for this clarification. So it seems to get diaspora linked to the fediverse, some effort is needed... I like your analogy!
@rcr
Here's the chief hermit uncle's take on why Diaspora will never implement ActivityPub:
https://discourse.diasporafoundation.org/t/lets-talk-about-activitypub/741
Let's talk about ActivityPub
I wanted to follow up on this Github Issue, in the hopes of furthering useful discussion with the people who presently work on Diaspora. Diaspora has not historically supported using any protocol implementations other than its own. This in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, Diaspora federation has greatly improved since the original core team stepped away because an emphasis has been placed to improve the way federation works. The development of the Diaspora federation gem ...
oscar🌞🌛@anildash the lack of algos and ranking is a breadth of fresh air
Ansel Halliburton@anildash You love to see it!
suldrew 🚲🏳️🌈@anildash blockchain what’s that
Mike Riverso@anildash that we haven’t seen a web3 company waiting in the wings with a Twitter alternative this past week speaks volumes about its inability / lack of desire to do social media right.
r00tdenied@MikeRiverso @anildash well it makes a lot of sense really. Elon is the king of the toxic crypto bros otherwise he wouldn't have been proposing a pay to tweet model to his brother. There wouldn't be a "web3" alternative because they found comfort grifting their ICO and NFT scams on Twitter
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Shawn Hooper (he/him)@anildash For many I've spoken to, like me, who were finding community online before the big social media networks, this feels like a return to the online networks we grew up with - even before the Internet. I've never seen so many excited by the services the Fediverse can offer, without the commercial things that makes social media so toxic.
Goosey 2 Feet@shawnhooper @anildash so true. It’s so much more relaxing here, I like it already and I’ve only been here a few hours
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A. H. Reaume@anildash The docs from the Twitter/Musk lawsuit actually showed that was something Musk was thinking of -- but he wanted people to pay for blockchain tweets. Lol. He abandoned the idea. Web3 is a bit in crisis. Play to earn isn't working out that well -- was working on a white paper this week that touches on the collapse of play-to-earn. I also think it's a values issue. People don't want to invest in another corporate owned platform.
Sean Tilley@anildash The other side of it is that blockchain-based social media is an absolute joke. Doesn't scale at all, monetization has never quite been figured out, and nobody wants to store all of their content in an immutable blockchain medium anyway.
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Mark Shane Haydenmeanwhile in a web3 blockchain parallel universe...
"ugh why can't I delete and re-draft my post?"
"FINALLY my post published it's been almost an hour!"
"OMG the gas fees to follow my buddy are like 10 times what I get for making posts WTF?"
Dave Mackey
Keith Kurson@anildash Seeing so many people promote their corners of the fediverse as "we have the most strict rules" or "anarchist furries only!" is giving me a very peaceful early internet vibe.
@keith yeah it’s very sweet honestly
Misty@anildash They talked about “twitter being layer 0 of web3”, which is still so funny to me. Yeah, they cared so much about building decentralized networks
Kevin Wittek@anildash Because the "web3" platforms only add those weird hyper capitalism layers, without solving the actual social problems. Much happier to the see the core ideas of the actual Web prevail :)
Benjamin J. Thompson 
@anildash
You all deserve a giant pat on the back for the years of hard work making this moment possible.
Web3 solutions are still very unfinished. I have high hopes for urbit and impervious but for what people want right now, they are not up to the task.