@fabiscafe @okapi espechally in the form of an interactive desktop...

• I could see it valid for multiple shell sessions, but #tmux & #screen cover that pretty well.

• If one has to login into different machines then chances are #aithentification is centralized anyway.

Needless to say #modernizations like #SystemD don't happen because people like #Poettering are "hobbyless", but because the preexisting status-quo (#SysVinit) was slow, inflexible and error-prone by strict linearity and non-parallelization.

• With a literal /etc/init file one can literally get a system to hang due to a mistake (i.e. certain call doesn't get invoked correctly), whereas on #SystemD (and competing solutions like #LaunchD on #macOS and #SMF on #Solaris) your desktop / laptop will continue to noot even if it doesn't have a network connection.

Not to mention as Benno Rice explained: 'Shit just gotmore dynamic!': We don't have that one big ass maingrame and serial terminals, instead we have laptops that may he carried around a campus or traveled with all day and that constantly switch between wireless and wired networks and have VPN tunnels open and whatnot...

@kkarhan @halva @ubuntu @opensuse

#SysVinit works well, and is a problem only if you care about booting time. That's not the case of everybody.
Anyway, lots of alternatives exist nowadays: runit, open-rc, s6, etc.
All these alternatives get the best of both worlds: they remain mainly script-based, and they are much faster than SystemV.

@halva +9001%

I've used @ubuntu 7.04 and @opensuse 10.2 and noone wants to go back to those ages when we had #WiFi problems, had to fiddle with #nVidia drivers and #AMD was just not an option!

• Same with #SystemD: #SysVinit is shit and everyone who thinks it's reasonable amto wait 5-15+ mins for a desktop to boot is even mire delusional than #Xorg fans wanting to cancel #Wayland!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

@tauon @radmin not really tho.

Have you ever had to deal with #SysVinit?

• #SystemD is at worst a "#NecessaryEvil" because #Linux evolved and the old systems that came before were neglected if not unmaintainable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

• That being said it's #OpenSource and you're free to not use it and go back to the basics of the /etc/init file...

I do so myself in my free time...

@gettie @waifu I just think that's due to old programs refusing to change/noone fixing them to run on #Wayland.

• #Xorg is #EoL / dead and the quicker we get things transitioned over the better.

This isn't even a matter of convenience and speed like with #SystemD vs. #SysVinit but a matter of #deprecated APIs & ABIs…

• Just like #i386 support for #Linux got axed because it was way too painful to maintain and noone wanted to keep maintaining it!