@stf granted you can also do a proper replacement for #gnutils as single binary (see #toybox) but we all can agree that this is merely done as a tradeoff for size constraints...

• Re: mailservers, I did try postfix & courier-imap in #OpenBSD: that was hard!

I know why a friend of mine did setup mailservers for 20+ years and doesn't want to do that again in their life.

@benni @lizzard nun, #GNUtils sind #bloated.

Frag' @landley welcher sich darüber beschwert hat dass #GNU cat >800 Zeilen Code hat (#BusyBox: 36, bin mir sicher #toybox ist sogar noch kleiner weil's nicht die Hälfte für Lizenzbestimmungen verbraucht wird!)

@mrmasterkeyboard If that #kernel is mostly #POSIX-compatible it should be possible to port #toybox over there (alongside any other software one may want to get running on @OS1337), but that's as far as I know.

Not shure if @landley has the time and spoons beyond testing toybox against #Linux as he does aim to make it a better alternative to #BusyBox & #GNUtils.

@landley @burnoutqueen Yeah...

#GPLv3 is a desaster as it's 99% ideology and 1% license text and alongside #AGPLv3 completely ignores the reality of how #licensing and #patents and #IP works.

• Not that I like the status-quo, but we'd rather see businesses steer clear of anything GPLv2+ or GPLv3 or worse.

And on the flipside we basically get "source available" stuff like #SSPL which only serves as a means to commit #AssetDenial and monopolize commercial offerings...

• I think #Linux being #GPLv2only is a good compromise and my personal gripes with #FSF & #GNUtils as well as #GlibC are something different...

@dalias @owen @aphyr nodds in agreement

I want stuff to be portable and reproduceable!

• And that means actually including - or at the very least declaring - ALL dependencies...

The whole #PainAndFrustration with #LinuxFromScratch, bloated #GNUtils and #GlibC constantly breaking shit (among other things) is why I started @OS1337 …

@enigmatico @privateger there's a reason I work on @OS1337 and why it's intended to be a #GNU-free #toybox+#musl / #linux distro:

• #GLibC is a shitshow maintained by nonchalant assholes that constantly brick systems with minor updates whilst denying the right to exist to #CCSS and who think "recompile it yourself" is an acceptable answer even outside of #FLOSS projects.

The only #GNUtils part that neither @landley nor I were able to replace is the #GCC because AFAIK Linux just won't compile under #Clang / #LLVM...

• The moment that isn't the case anymore I')( happily ditch tht too, cuz GNU / #FSF are just bad and the only recourse I have aggainst them is to #boycott them into irrelevancy...

Shall all those people at the FSF complain at #RMS for alienating people and harming FLOSS in general or as @ncommander once said:
' […] #OpenSource thrives not hecause but in spite of #Stallman […]' cuz being a visionary predicting #Enshittification like #DRM doesn't make him a less unlikeable character to be polite...

@SweetAIBelle @OS1337 shure.

I'm convinced that a fully-fledged image of that would be similar to #toybox's #mkroot, which is @landley 's reference implementation for a toxbox + #musl / #linux system.

• Last time I checked it came out just below 4 MB, but that was the premade image using only the stuff toybox included [and linux & being statically compiled against musl] like #gzip instead of #xz for compression, so there already is room to shave a few hundred kB without reducing functionality out of the get-go as I've seen with my build tests of #kernel666...

Either way, we're close to his reference matterial AFAICT and I do think that OS/1337 can become a good and solid foundation for #minimalist & #embedded systems.

For comparison:

• #YoctoLinux is quite #THICC in comparison (using LSB & #GNUtils for the most part!) and stuff like #OpenADK seems to be overly complex...

  • tho #Viprinet hasn't updated their stuff in like 8 years and I sincerely hope that's just them loginwalling access to #SourceCode like #grsecurity to paying customers only and not them such old Kernels.

Speaking of #grsec, I wounder if Bruce Perens actually sued them for allegedly violating #GPLv2 when in fact said license allows #paywalling aka. restricting access to buyers of the product it contains.

#OS1337