@Justin Crozer @Stefan Bohacek @Lentävä Kalakukko @Roni Rolle Laukkarinen Whenever I see Mastodon users talk about "culture" in a Fediverse context, I have to wonder: What exactly do they refer to when they talk about "culture"?

Is it Fediverse culture? As in, overarching, software-independent Fediverse culture?

As in, taking into consideration that Fediverse server applications that aren't Mastodon, e.g. Misskey or Sharkey or Friendica or Hubzilla, have different cultures than Mastodon?

Recognising a post or a comment from one of these applications, acknowledging that it comes from a place with a different history, a different set of features and thus a different culture than Mastodon and refraining from enforcing Mastodon's unwritten rules against it?

Or does "culture" only refer to Mastodon's culture? Does it reject or completely disregard all cultures in the Fediverse that aren't Mastodon's and demand the whole Fediverse adopt Mastodon's culture and only Mastodon's culture?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who post more than 500 characters at once (which, by the way, is perfectly normal everywhere outside of Mastodon)?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who reply to people who haven't mentioned them first, and whom they aren't mutually following either (which, by the way, is perfectly normal in large parts of the non-Mastodon Fediverse, too)?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who quote-post Mastodon toots that must not be quote-posted (because they've had quote-posts for much longer than Mastodon, but without a no-quote flag so they can't see Mastodon's no-quote flag)?

Do these "bad eggs" incllude users who "misuse" Mastodon's CW field for summaries (because they have literally had the exact same text field as a summary field for seven years longer than Mastodon has had it as a CW field, and because having a summary field makes a whole lot of sense if your character limit is not 500, but over 16.7 million)?

Do these "bad eggs" include users who use more than four hashtags in one post (because, unlike Mastodon, the places where they are have filtering as well as automatically having messages hidden behind CW buttons deeply engrained into their cultures, but this requires the appropriate keywords to be present)?

If so, then this explains why only Mastodon users can enjoy significant reach on Mastodon: Everyone else is mass-blocked for misbehaving by Mastodon's standards.

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@Mark Whybird Sounds like @Mona app basically behaves like the Mastodon pre-4.4 Web interface; in fact, I think I've read somewhere that it's still partly stuck on a Mastodon 3 level.

One issue with this is that the Mastodon pre-4.4 Web interface didn't automatically blur images in posts that have CWs. Instead, when you have images in a CW'd post, Mastodon flags the images sensitive. Mastodon's Web interface blurs images that are flagged sensitive, and I guess so does Mona.

However, most of the rest of the Fediverse doesn't support this Mastodon-specific, non-standard sensitive flag for images. In CW'd image posts from somewhere else than Mastodon, the images will generally not be flagged sensitive, Mastodon won't blur them, and Mona probably won't either.

For example, here on Hubzilla, I could make people click up to four times before they see an image. First, if they have NSFW installed, they have to click an automatically generated content warning. Next, they have to click a summary plus Mastodon-style content warning. Then they have to click a spoiler tag that reveals the blanked-out image. Lastly, they have to click the image to unblank it.

Mastodon/Mona users, on the other hand, will see the very same image below the very same post immediately, un-CW'd, unblurred.

This is why I won't go back to posting images here on Hubzilla and stick to (streams) for that: (streams) can set the Mastodon-specific sensitive flag by adding one or two particular hashtags to a post. At least I hope it still does that.

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@Mark Whybird The whole alt-text would be a bad idea. Especially if showing the whole alt-text under each image is set to on by default or even hard-coded for everyone's "convenience".

Some of us write or have written extremely long alt-texts. All of my most recent alt-texts are either precisely 1,500 characters or only a very few characters short of it. I'll have to limit my future alt-texts to only 512 characters, but I won't shorten my existing ones. And in the rare case that someone decided to boost one of my image posts to your timeline, you'd have a massive block of 1,500 characters of alt-text underneath each image. On a comparatively small iPhone display even (desktop user here).

Do you really want that?

By the way: How does @Mona app handle images in posts with CWs? Does it hide them behind the CW like Mastodon's Web interface since 4.4.0? Or does it keep them visible underneath the CW'd post like Mastodon's Web interface before 4.4.0? Because in the latter case, I couldn't possibly CW long alt-texts away (while I already CW my long posts away whenever I can, namely whenever they aren't replies).

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@DJ5CW First, thanks for keeping lcwo.net up and running all these years. After reading this, it occurs to me that it would be interesting to see how the number of users has increased over the years, if that information is available. I think it would be a decent measure of the growth of CW operation in general #HamRadio #CW