If the ultra rich are planning to hide in bunkers or fly to Mars when the excrements hit the air blowing thingy, can they pls not wait and just do it now?
It will greatly enhance our chances of survival.
It's 1991, and a republican president is embroiling us in a bullshit war in the Middle East.
It's 2003, and a republican president is embroiling us in a bullshit war in the Middle East.
It's 2025, and a republican president is embroiling us in a bullshit war in the Middle East.
@RnDanger @Legit_Spaghetti Yeah, I'll literally eat my own shoe and videotape it for you if the man lives to be 101, let alone is still President
EDIT: lmao, I missed the "jr" part. If we have Donnie Jr for that long and humanity doesn't resemble Fallout games by some miracle, maybe.
@Legit_Spaghetti
@aprilfollies
@mpjgregoire
Well, I call bullshit. Sorry (canadian). It's what we do ;-)
Being tribal about D vs R when they are nearly identical is silly. USians start wars no matter who's in the whitehouse. It's what that country does. If you want a very long list, I can provide one to you covering your entire history. It's not pretty. Bad as the brits. Worse even (and I also have a uk passport, so I know).
Here is a list of which political parties have started the most wars:
Democratic Party: 7 wars
Republican Party: 5 wars
Whig Party: 1 war
The Democratic Party has started the most wars. The Democratic Party has started a total of 7 wars.
The wars that the Democratic Party has started include:
the War of 1812
the Mexican-American War
the Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
the Korean War
the Vietnam War
The Republican Party has started a total of 5 wars. The wars that the Republican Party has started includes:
American Civil War
the Gulf War
the War in Afghanistan
the Iraq War
the War on Terror
It is important to note that the decision to go to war is a complex one.
It cannot get attributed to the political party in power. Many factors contribute to the decision to go to war.
So I think you may need to reconsider how you think of your country and global and economic affairs. Just sayin' ;-)
edit: missed a link for my quotes, but I have other links with the same info.
https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/which-political-party-started-the-most-wars/
@oberstenzian
I have never used the corporate bs of twit, fb or bsky and I won't. But go ahead, feel free. I've given links :-) I always provide references to my bs rants! ;-)
edit: please do copy/paste and take it as your own on those corporate platforms.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire
Parties? Feh. Good cop, bad cop, both cops.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire
Anyone who believes that the Democrats weren't also responsible for the wars we illegal started in Iraq and Afghanistan only need look at the congressional votes
@DoNotPunchDown
When you can jump outside and look at the big picture... it's just what the USA does. Who cares who they blame internally? The results are the same for us out here.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire
Absolutely! We are a warmongering country with war criminals always running it.
I'm so sorry to the world for this. Hell, the US is the reason Iran has the; government it now has
@DoNotPunchDown
Hey, I'm canadian now since childhood, but I was born in the UK. You don't have to explain that kind of guilt to me. We were the assholes who taught the lessons.
@DoNotPunchDown
> Hell, the US is the reason Iran has the; government it now has
Very true. That short list of wars goes nowhere near to covering what the USA does to other countries. Most times, it simply doesn't declare war, but act like it.
Or foments dissent internally by funding factions.
Or outright assassinates leaders.
Or trains the rebellion like they did with Saddam Hussein in the school of the americas.
Or just bombs the shit out of countries to 'save them' in a police action.
All kinds of ways to pretend.
I have long lists of this stuff with references, if you need them, but I think you already know most of it.
The very sad thing is, their in country propaganda to their own citizens via kindergarten training to revere the flag to hollywood and tv movies. Most USians truly believe that they are the Good Guys! I know right? :-) But they do. They totally believe that they stand for peace and democracy in the world, while their corporations install dicators and destroy democracies everywhere for profit. So fucked up.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire
Thank you for the offer but yeah, I'm aware. Sadly, many are not.
This fits very well with your note about kindergarten
Pete Seeger
What Did You Learn In School Today
@DoNotPunchDown
Well done! Good on you! :-)
I knew that song, but I should link it more often! :-)
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire
Thanks! I love that song
@DoNotPunchDown
And now I have love for you! :-)
(not like that! ;-) )
@DoNotPunchDown
I wish @aprilfollies could see that I recognized a mistake in wording and my apology. Ah well. I feel bad that I set them off.
@gemlog @aprilfollies @Legit_Spaghetti @mpjgregoire
I'm trying to find the post. Not seeing it 🤔
@DoNotPunchDown
What post do you want on? I can look it up and give a ref. I've been a bit sloppy with that tonight.
Whichever you were talking about to apologize about. I don't see that. I don't see anything for you to apologize for
Like you said, you apologized
It's just a mute of the conversation. We all write things that come out differently than we intend. I'm sure there will be no hard feelings 😊
That's what she says in the thread. Here it is. 3 day conversation mute
I should not assume "she" but i see "April" and think she.
Yes, not to worry. It will work itself out. I'm sure it'll be fine
You're okay. So send april a DM. Getting worked up isn't going to help when you're sick
@disorderlyf
> You don't think it's statistically significant that the Republican party is younger and their wars are within a smaller time frame?
No. No I don't.
If we were doing science on something then that argument would make sense, for sure. But we aren't.
This is politics and economics. Power and people.
I view the USA as a unit over its whole existence.
It doesn't matter which party is in the White House, because the usual suspects always control it.
The USA is a warlike country seeking cheap resources to enrich its corporations, no matter what.
Point final.
@gemlog Sure, if you want to base your entire conclusion on a number and a letter. I don't even think there would be that much of a difference if one party was always in charge over the other. To make no distinction at all, especially within the last 20 years, seems foolish to me, possibly even something that could eventually lead to your own harm. I could just as easily argue based on the same quantity of information that Canada isn't exactly a saint either. How many of those wars was Canada involved in? By that same logic, we can never trust Germany, Turkey, Russia, China, Japan, Israel, Rwanda, probably dozens of other countries that aren't coming to mind—not now, not 50 years ago, not 5,000 years from now—because they're genocidal psychopaths.
I say this as someone who has given up on America redeeming itself in my lifetime without the entire government collapsing and being somehow rebuilt by a government where the right-wing party is left of Bernie Sanders. I say this as someone who is literally applying for permanent residency in Canada and who would probably have already made an asylum request before I even had the qualifications for permanent residency if I had no qualifications for that. I say this as someone who has other countries in mind if Canada were to deny either of those.
@gemlog I mean, you brought up Canada first. I just pointed out that if it doesn't matter that one is the lesser of two evils, then it doesn't matter if Canada is slightly better.
As for other countries, Germany, Spain, France, and Thailand are on my shortlist with honourable mentions to Portugal and Mexico. I've lived in Chicago for seven years and have been in enough cities that most white people here are scared of that only very specific parts of Mexico and Thailand actually scare me out of any of those options. And that's mostly because I'd stick out too much for it to matter even if I did know how to navigate those areas. As far as the Netherlands, I recall their far-right party gaining traction far faster than the rise of the far right parties in the other countries I mentioned.
@gemlog
How did the dems started WW1?
How did the dems started WW2?
This blog post conflates the terms “join” and “start” to make the dem number bigger.
I've got no sympathy for the dems. Clinton started* operations Desert Fox and Infinite Reach to cover his impeachment for committing rape. Dems are okay with genocide.
But FFS, let's not fake shit up.
* We can discus if and which way cause-effect goes, but who has the last say about the date?
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire HAHAHHAAAAHAHHAHAHAAA You funny. "Democrats started WWI and WWII" So Pearl Harbor was an inside job then.
You're confirming stereotypes here pal.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti This is a wildly flawed analysis. Not only does the list lack a lot of aggressions, but anyone can see the time pattern, and what are WWI and WWII even doing there? It’s very North America centric.
For us living outside North America, yes, the main thing is that the US is militaristic, but we also see the difference between the parties, if you can even call them that.
@lp0_on_fire
> The USA didn't start either of the two world wars
Agreed. Absolutely, although a few of its corporations and banks were instrumental, I didn't mean to imply they actually started either. The triggers, as it were, are well known for each of the two world wars.
Think instead then of involved, engaged vs started or declared, b/c the USA mostly doesn't bother declaring.
Here, try this on, just for sport:
The Perpetual Wars: A History Of USA Military Engagements
"The United States has been at war for 222 out of 239 years since its birth in 1776. This means that the U.S. has only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth. The U.S. has been at war, or at least in armed conflicts of various sorts, often in distant lands, for more or less my entire life. Yes, for some of those years, that war was “cold” (which often meant that such carnage, regularly sponsored by the CIA, happened largely off-screen and out of sight), but war as a way of life never really ended, not to this very moment."
https://shunculture.com/article/how-long-has-the-united-states-been-at-war
Random link. Easy to find more.
I look forward to your defense of the USA as a peace loving country spreading joy and democracy around the world vs simply using its military to bolster its capitalist corporations - and I say this as one born in the UK, also not well known for spreading peace and joy *and* being a canadian, which is simply a toady in all the USA's engagements.
Or, more likely, you were simply pointing out some sloppy wording of mine that made it seem like the USA's govt actually started WW2/3, for which I apologize - I type faster than I think clearly quite often. Sometimes I seem to assume people can read my mind and intent. Sorry about that.
Also, I just woke up, haven't even had a cuppa, still in the grip of some gripp with a cough and I'm just generally a bit cranky.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire Your credibility suffers when you claim that the US started either World War, and miss that there were 2 Gulf Wars.
Cherry picking a subset of wars and not even getting right who started some isn’t the flex you think it is.
@Janne_O
I am given to understand that the two parties kind of switched around that time. Thank you for confirming that in my mind.
However, it's been said that only the USA can afford to have one party with two different names.
From out here, it just looks like USA! USA! over and over again. It doesn't matter which party dominates in congress or possesses the white house. The USA simply uses its military to beat up other countries for their resources in order to benefit their corporations. Point final.
@gemlog @Legit_Spaghetti @aprilfollies @mpjgregoire anyone who thinks Democrats and Republicans are the same are deluding themselves. As a reminder: the party that is threatening to invade and annex their allies and neighbors? That would be Republicans. And like I said, last four wars were started by Republicans.
I’m from Finland, fyi.
Oh you're right, but you're spoiling the joke. The Ds saunter and slide into wars. Different style is all.
The lines gone in the same direction for some time; the angle of the downward slope varies.
You're point isn't wrong, but your facts, or more accurately, your source's facts, are a kind of lazy view of reality.
The USA might have been involved in a lot of wars, but they've really only started six, if you understand "start" to mean being the side that kicked off the hostilities, either by directly shooting first or by being such an ass that the other side was provoked to shoot.
Jumping into a war that is already happening and responding to an attack that isn't so clearly the response to something you did to get them to hit you first, isn't "starting a war".
Also, contrary to popular belief and global perception, Congress is the more powerful branch of the US Federal Government, and only they can _legally_ decide to go to war. Every time a president decides to go to war without the permission of the House of Representatives, it is illegal. Politics has always come to their rescue, and Congress is on a 55 year run to try and be the worst Congress ever, but, it doesn't change the facts: President's don't get to declare war.
Also, the USA hasn't declared war since 1942 when they added some Nazi puppet states to their declaration of war against Germany.