Eugen Rochko(Also is it just me or is "coder" possibly the worst word for "software engineer"?)
🡲@@Gargron imo the worst part about it is it has caused business oriented people to say "write a code" in my meetings and that makes me want to die
Jeezy Peeps@Gargron i laughed when i read "disrupting"
fuck off with the startup buzzwords
antlers@colon_three @Gargron It's mashable, they are a living buzzword
RX14 (Chris Hobbs)@Gargron yeah... I dislike it. Really simplifies what we do.
TarKHaoS
Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한@Gargron Personally, it's never been a good label or title. For me, programmer, webmaster, web developer, software engineer, are the proper ones.
Then again, I'm 80s gen, coder is Millennial :p
toby
aeris 🏳️🌈@Gargron It depends. I love « coder » word. « Software engineer » is too much corporate. Coder = write usefull code. Software engineer = write useless doc.
[MOVED] LSN / Korbak :goat:@Cyphergoat @Gargron You are code engineer in this case :P
CheapSeth@CheapSeth @Gargron Yep, programmer is a good term too. But in french, it's a problematic one. « programmeur » (programmer) is too closed to « programmateur » (scheduler). I'm not this : :D https://social.imirhil.fr/media/fYSsIdyVSp-CdWLeHEY
Jemal Cole@Gargron Probably better than labeling anyone with a text editor a "hacker" but not much better.
Exorion@Gargron I actually like it. A coder can do whatever he wants with code
Hōrensō🍃@Gargron "code bro" if you're really looking for one that's worse :wink:
josef@Gargron when i hear "software engineer" i think of someone drawing boxes on a flip chart. when i hear "coder" i think of someone typing frantically on an ibm model m, grinning in contempt at the Non-Coders, and when you see their screen it's just a Quake II console
OliverUv@Gargron @jk one does end up drawing unreasonably many boxes. Show me a whiteboard, and uh, I'll draw some boxes on it. ill box on the chill rocks, swill mate, coffee, we
stimmed ain't stunned //
Never outgunned //
Fill blanks with arrows, fill up the marker stock
Spy you at the end of the scope,
This is where your block ends, we
Take you out //
Newbie // you get garbage collected
Infected // never respected
Leave the scene or get disconnected
Illest boxen in this federation
inode1, wq!
Piers Beckley@Gargron A friend of mine who's an actual engineer loathes the term. In what ways is it like engineering?
Me, I like coder. Does what it says on the tin.
lagentnapasnoder@Gargron yes it is, but mashable has already done two horrible articles on mastodon where they didnt understand the core concept about it.
Rob Campbell 🐙 (dormant)@Gargron it is one of the least flattering epithets. Reduces the engineering effort to mere data entry.
Joe@Gargron Nice work so far!
David Szerman@Gargron I fully agree ; coder is like limitating the job definition, what it really means
Natanji (old account)@Gargron "Hacker" is a level worse, but yeah
[DÉPLACÉ] Yannick A.@Gargron In french we have "codeur" and I feel the same. "developer"/"développeur" is better.
Cletois@Gargron Depends on the way you see the work done : if you consider it to be the greatest in the world or only the snippest in the same world
Stumps@Gargron I just use "programmer" when I tell people what I do because it's less of a mouthful than "software engineer" or "software developer"
Nathan Le Ray@Gargron I find it insulting.
Pierre-Yves Jamon@Gargron it's not just you 🤷🏻♂️
jsrn@Gargron My problem with "coder" is that it captures such a small part of what software engineers actually do. Like calling an artist a "pencil manipulator"
Jose Diez@Gargron This is one of my pet peeves: there is a significant difference between software development and software engineering.
Software development is just writing code. Software engineering is writing code, writing {unit,integration,system,regression} tests, planning development cycles and estimating effort, writing documentation, and the rest of it.
Basically, software engineering is: https://www.fastcompany.com/28121/they-write-right-stuff
Jean@Gargron for me it's even 2 different jobs
Rosoll@Gargron ninja?
PurpleCar@Gargron coder: I always think of hospital situations when someone's heart is failing
𝐂𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞𝐃𝐚𝐝@Gargron The term "engineer" might be overused, however: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/programmers-should-not-call-themselves-engineers/414271/
wakingrufus@Gargron I personally don't like "Software Engineer". Building software is half engineering and half art, kind of like architecture. I prefer "Software Developer"
altreus™@Gargron Maybe not if you're working on the Enigma machine...
I identify as a "dev" usually
Jacob Moena 🇩🇰@Gargron I like the word 'coder' - it is simple.
Simplicity is something that many so-called 'software engineers' has forgotten! :)
Pierre Terdiman - author of OPCODE and Novodex/PhysX - refers to himself as a 'real, true, pure coder' - and that's one of the reasons why I think it's really cool!
Software engineering, yes: that's a thing (apparently) - but take away the layers of fluff, and in the end, we are coders!
I am proud to be a coder.
💻 Jay Hayman 🎮@Gargron Coders bash out code, Sofware Engineers plan code.
Prajit@Gargron this just be me but after I read all the replies it looks like there's a lot of confusion about terminology for a person who writes code at the basic level and works on big enough projects that have world impact at the meta level. I believe that some of these terminologies are culturally influenced as well. I have seen in US people distinguishing programmers as white hat coders and black hat coders. But coders is a common term for "geek" types who sit and code all day.
@prajit The thing is, I do a lot more than just write code for this project. I plan the architecture, vision, UX, write articles/documentation, answer people's questions etc etc. "Coder" really felt wrong there.
Tournesol@Gargron I wouldn't take it badly. Coding is at the heart of what you do, even if you wear 100 other hats. You don't qualify for the higher "entrepreneur" level since you don't care about money :wink:
Miles@Gargron I've always though it kind of implied someone that just fills in the blanks, just "codes" it up.
consequences@Gargron In German, we say Softwareentwickler.
James 🚫@Gargron unlike other engineering disciples we both design and implement. I don't mind coder but it's only half the job.
Jaycie (Squid Mode)@Gargron It is, I think. It feels like it's only a step above "typist" with regard to how it trivializes the work. (With an acknowledgement that many typists went far above and beyond what their title implied.)
AlltooHueman✅@Gargron yes ,it reduces is to typing monkeys
João Felipe@Gargron I hate "coder" as much as I hate people who call someone's software "their codes".
Trouble Man@Gargron yeah, it's kinda a peeve for me, too. like when people call artists "drawers." in both cases i think it typically comes from people with little insight into the work they're describing
Elecray7k 📣🐍@wolfteeth @Gargron "a creative"
@elecray7k @Gargron i think that one is just an admission by execs and marketing people that they have no idea at all where designs, video, music, artwork, etc. come from
Daniel Honigman@Gargron There's also "code monkey"
Joel Jucá@Gargron definitely is
was B (this is my old account)@Gargron I use coder as a more expansive term because I feel like writing HTML is maybe not considered software (or engineering)? But as a result, yes, it's not a good synonym because it's too broad
🏴☠️🏴☠️KODO🏴☠️🏴☠️@Gargron I think they both suck. Most software "engineers" have nowhere near the technical ability of like a structural engineer. I usually just say developer
Rysiekúr (old account)
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