(Also is it just me or is "coder" possibly the worst word for "software engineer"?)
@Gargron I think they both suck. Most software "engineers" have nowhere near the technical ability of like a structural engineer. I usually just say developer
@kodo @Gargron we need to put "engineering" into "software engineering" (not "put back" btw, it was never there)
@Gargron @rysiek it's not that developers aren't talented. it's just that most commerce websites don't need an "engineer"
@kodo @Gargron Correction, they think they don't.