@danslimmon are you starting a church? I am in.

May i suggest marketer sacrifices? 🙃

*goes back to sharpening oddly glinting very ceremonial looking dagger*

I'll be here...

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that and that the big boys, like google and outlook, who like to think they are too big to block, are huge sources of spam and refuse to clean up their own customer bases. they make money on spammers, not legit users bombarded with spam.

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Here's a foolproof solution to spam, except its one part of a new Internet ecosystem, a set of technologies that must all exist, in order to work, and are not much use by themselves.

It's an ambitious vision, and I am bringing it to life. Would appreciate your thoughts:

https://rant.li/ashwin/visions-for-a-new-web#spam

@danslimmon I personally find that greylisting + greytrapping removes the obvious ones, and saves a lot of electricity plus wear and tear on the poor servers doing content and header filtering.

My greytrapping and misc retrospective is hopefully useful to others too: Eighteen Years of Greytrapping - Is the Weirdness Finally Paying Off? https://nxdomain.no/~peter/eighteen_years_of_greytrapping.html - with references at the end.

@danslimmon As someone who has been dealing with spam in wiki environment I think this is a bad take. Automated spam detection is hard because we don't want to accidentally target legitimate users. And legitimate user activity sometimes may look like spam to a dumb machine code.

I can only guess what you mean by a "legitimate marketing activity", however implication that it's easy to make automated spam detection system that would target all corporate advertising is silly.

Context is always important and no automatic spam filter can judge it better than a creature can.

I do agree that spammers are insanely stupid, that I did notice after years of working in the field.

@danslimmon This reminded me of that one Twitter thing where they tried to develop an automated system to combat hate posts from white supremacists, but had to shelf it because it would mark posts from official GOP politician accounts

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4

@danslimmon From a legitimate mail (not even marketing) that I intentionally subscribed to:

X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=5.323
tests=[DIRECT_LOW_CONTRAST=2.499, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1,
DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DMARC_PASS=-0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25,
HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1,
MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001,
REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC=1.552]

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Woof, so much this. I get so much "spam but supposedly not spam" in my line of work. It's nuts.
And it's very hard to attack the spam as spam because my email is (and kinda has to be) public.

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A number of times, at a number of different organizations, I've asked *my employer* (and their partners) to please do a better job with their email requests for action so as *NOT* to "check off" a number of issues in their emails that are literally in their own required computer security training. 💢