I’m honestly shaken at the number of infosec people, particularly women, who are endorsing and spouting Russian transphobic misinformation about Olympic athletes with added hateful TERF rhetoric. In public, right in front of queer and trans peers. Some I used to consider friends. We all see all of it. It’s absolute hell for trans community members. We need to be calling this crap out for what it is.
@hacks4pancakes Agreed 100%. I’m appalled at the hatred I see.
@wendynather they are outing themselves and it’s awful. Imagine your definition of a “real woman” being so narrow it doesn’t even include a person with female genitalia who was raised, lives, and identifies as a woman in an anti queer country, based on a dubious genetic debate from an untrustworthy source.
@hacks4pancakes @wendynather this specific case is really shaping up to show exactly how absurdly some people have chosen to twist their "rules".
@phpete @hacks4pancakes @wendynather my favorite meme on this topic so far
@wilbr @phpete @wendynather they always forget trans men and masc enbys exist
@hacks4pancakes @phpete @wendynather sometimes I wonder if that's by convenience, ignorance, ideology or malicious intent, but then I realize I'm spending a bit too much time and energy trying to understand the mind of an asshole

@wilbr @hacks4pancakes @wendynather and generally, an asshole who won't be responding to a logical argument anyway.

I too often fail to avoid the "but I'd really like to understand where the fuck you're coming from" time suck, but that's really all it is - a complete waste of time.

@phpete @hacks4pancakes @wendynather I shared this comic on Instagram today and one of my friends from the Bible Belt responded and thanked me for it. Earlier she had shared something saying that the boxer was trans and this cleared up some misconceptions she had, and gave me an opportunity to clear up a few other common myths. It definitely gives me a little hope that some people care, but maybe get bad information.
@wilbr @phpete @hacks4pancakes @wendynather Did she give consent to be the poster girl for trans and intersex? Stop causing more damage.
@wilbr @hacks4pancakes @phpete @wendynather
At this point in time (and with the number of educational resources at their disposal) always assume malicious intent AND ideology (racism, xenophobia, transphobia, and misogyny are all coming mostly from the same "people").
@hacks4pancakes @wilbr @phpete @wendynather Those populations' existence do not help their cause (grifting for likes and cash), so they just pretend they don't.
@wilbr @phpete @hacks4pancakes @wendynather do you have a quote for that? if her past transphobic writings are anything to go by, this will be a funny read just to decipher whatever the hell she is trying to say
@yukijoou @hacks4pancakes @wendynather @phpete I don't, I try to avoid giving her eyeballs, this is more the general vibe of past arguments vs the current discourse about the Olympic boxer. Simply asserting that the current person being harassed is or isn't a man or woman with flimsy, no, or inconsistent evidence. I've seen screenshots of her recent posts but they're surely unfulfilling

@hacks4pancakes @wendynather

I feel so bad for everyone (trans and cis) catching flak from this. The right-wing noise machine kicked into overdrive over this and it's so gross.

https://kolektiva.social/@unikitty/112901056346692991

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Major newspapers coming out with corrections cause they said an athlete was trans when she isn't. Right-wingers uncritically and unapologetically pushing their #weird obsession; attacking someone based on non-specific russian boxing org statements. Wild moment to be alive. Sorry to everyone for whom this hits extra-close to home :heart_trans:

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@hacks4pancakes It’s complete bullshit. NOBODY gets to decide your gender except you. I dare anybody to try to walk up to me and tell me I’m not a woman based on the fact that I have no breasts. I won’t even bother putting on my old boxing gloves before I respond.
@wendynather @hacks4pancakes Fuck yeah. Same here with regard to my lack of ovaries/uterus. I’ve happily used this outlier status in more than one conversation about gender stuff to “well, actually” at folks, too.

@hacks4pancakes @wendynather The word "dubious" here is, IMO, extremely charitable. 😒

I'd have gone with "disingenuous," myself.

@hacks4pancakes these people define genders the way the supreme court defined pornography: "I know it when I see it".
@womble and they “always know” except they like never know
@hacks4pancakes oh yes, their proficiency in gender identity is only matched by their expertise with international relations and sniper identification.
@hacks4pancakes @womble God yes we are back to when Rowling just started with this shit, hundred of women on Twitter who just KNOW no other women than themselves are "women".
@hacks4pancakes Anti-trans mob-based hate has metastasized into a manic venomous disgust for anybody who doesn’t conform to traditional gender expectations.
Imane Khelif who is competing as a boxer in the Olympics was born female and is a woman. She is being attacked because she doesn’t look or act like what the gender conformist bigots thinks a woman should be.
This is what happens when people are taught to hate together as a group.
I really don’t like bullies.
@stepheneb it costs so little to be kind and a good sportsperson
@hacks4pancakes It's been so fucking tiring to see. it's EVERYWHERE
@Dio9sys jfc I fight actual men all the time every boxer and martial artist does
@hacks4pancakes it never surprises me anymore, but it's always disappointing
@mav I try to be nice to everyone who tries to be nice 🥺😥

@hacks4pancakes Fox News also made it worse with what they put on video probably live. Tried watching the video on youtube, but got angry and had to stop when the idiot called her a biological man.

On the bright side she now is going to win at least bronze so that is awesome to see.

EDIT: The Algerian lady is going to win at least bronze. :3

@hacks4pancakes I wish I were surprised, Lesley.

@hacks4pancakes Ugh. It's stupid, it's ignorant, and it's wrong.

People vary. Bodies vary. It's gross that people are so concerned about other people's bits. They're women if they say they're women, end of story.

@Emily it should all be very simple.

@hacks4pancakes Right? Just believe people when they tell you who they are. It feels simple to me.

(though that might be the neurodiversity talking)

@Emily same :( why even is gender
@hacks4pancakes this is something I have dealt with a lot especially in some of the defcon groups and at conventions and I find that no one really cares when I bring it up it just falls on def ears cause I'm not an influencer in our field or anything.
@Skarlet I think that makes me responsible to 😥
@hacks4pancakes speaking as a trans person myself, I think talking about transphobia in our industry is exhausting and for those at the beginning or midpoint in our cyber journey it can become a hindrance to working because then we become a "complainer" or viewed as difficult or any number of stereotypes imposed on women and minority group to make excuses to not hire or work with us.

@hacks4pancakes *sigh* I don't know in north America, but sadly, in my country, cybersecurity people aren't the sharpest knives in the kitchen. When I was working in a SOC team, I was baffled by the lack of mind openess there was. That was probably an especially bad team, but still. After just raising the subject of trans-identity without talking of myself, I've "win" some "nice" nickname.

In a more general manner, cybersecurity (still in my country, I don't know in north America) starts to be a crowded field, there is more or less any kind of people in this. But cybersec people are still a majority of white cis male, and they love too much shit posting, when it's not too insulting about themself. I'm not really surprised that some people in our field takes this opportunity to shit post, because it's still not about them.

However, I find this very ironical to be like this just after the CrowdStrike issue, and after all the data breaches we had this last years.

@ck0 I’m definitely not claiming to be the sharpest knife. I’m just trying to do the right thing 🥺😥

@hacks4pancakes I'm sorry if you felt like I was accusing you of anything, that's not the case ! 😖

I wasn't talking about you, it was about cybersec people in my country (western EU). I know too much of them which will be probably too happy to have a new shitpost subject like this.

By just raising this, you show that you are more open and human than many !
  

@hacks4pancakes wtaf? Like, yeah I knew a chunk of our field were sacks of shit but that one still surprised me. =\
@whereisthespai second major woman influencer in two days.
@whereisthespai IDK friend. There are a lot of TERFs who just don’t understand how anti women the propaganda is. They’ll support gay people to some extent but then get very cagey in any statement that says women aren’t lesser than men.
@hacks4pancakes it’s like they’ve got no functional grasp of how close everyone is to the outside edge when you make an outgroup. Like they can’t look at someone else and see themselves reflected. If moving incorrectly can cause injury, then this almost has to be a mental/emotional equivalent where they’ve given themselves brain damage because I can’t imagine these attitudes actually being naturally-occurring in a bunch of gregarious apes like us. =\

@whereisthespai @hacks4pancakes

Leopards, faces, etc. etc.

But yeah, the ultimate destination here is that very few people in society could ever meet fascism's standards for genetics, appearance, behavior, ideological purity, etc. That's the point. It gives them a ready made excuse for persecuting literally anyone they desire.

They're constantly fed propaganda that they are the in-group, but with just enough hints that they're potentially in the out-group to leave them insecure. And the only way to maintain social credit to stay in the in-group is to keep repeating the bullshit talking points and throw as many of the out-group into the woodchipper as they can.

@whereisthespai @hacks4pancakes

Anyway, a fun thing to read about is the "Association of German National Jews" and a guy named Max Naumann. They thought they could save themselves from the Nazis if only they could prove their patriotism and loyalty through overt fanaticism. You'll be shocked to hear this, but it did not end well for them.

@hacks4pancakes I’ll just say that I have a unique vantage point and it’s quite pervasive.
@jerry @hacks4pancakes I don't know if this is healthy or not, but one if my main driving factors in my brain for always wanting to go the extra mile at work is that I hope I can make people rethink negative things about trans people if they have those negative thoughts. Like if I do great work hopefully they at least have to have a little pause and be like well I still think they're a godless abomination, but at least they do good work.

@hacks4pancakes

Already hard enough to find a job; now I have to worry about this shit too.

@hacks4pancakes the amount of people in infosec I have removed from my circles after they continued to associate and boost members of the industry who are and have actively caused harm to people still astounds me. Even after repeated warnings of who those people were, then smiling selfies with the same ghouls who doxxed and laughed while mobs destroyed lives. Fuck them.
@hacks4pancakes I think one part that some miss here is also the racism that is apart of this because if I'm not mistaken this boxer is a person of color and historically women of color who are strong and fit get accused of being men and this fall right alongside of the transphobia as well. So this could general bigotry that's touching on both racism and transphobia

@hacks4pancakes I'm sorry that there are people like this in our community too. It hurts more when it's peers or people you look up to being jerks to yourself, your friends (or family) and/or undoing what you're trying to do to build our community.

There's too many hot takes and not enough care put into choosing words more carefully

@hacks4pancakes even though it looks to be true, adding russia to the argument takes away from it overall.
@Netux it’s… factual… and I track that professionally…
@hacks4pancakes @Netux The supportive facts as reported by the Associated Press of why the boxing governing body chaired by someone friends with Putin is so problematic the IOC is removing boxing in 2028 unless the sport rallies under a different org:
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/banned-governing-body-thats-fueling-outcry-on-olympic-boxers-has-russian-ties-and-troubled-history/ar-AA1oaJDU
MSN

@lancercryptid @hacks4pancakes
My criticism isn't about the fact. It's about the optics. Anyone that has any possibility of being moved is likely to disregard once the Russian connection is mentioned because they will always assume that Russia getting blamed makes it fake.
@Netux
@lancercryptid @hacks4pancakes We cannot afford to distort reality for the comfort of will-be fascists
@Netux @hacks4pancakes But the role of Russian interests is inseparable from the story.
@hacks4pancakes as despicable as that take is, I don’t recognise the names - thus wondering what it has to do with cyber security ?