Martin
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Frank Hightower 🐁@lokeloski And like I said the last time I saw it: no one considers asking the script writer or the concept artist or whatever... because when they do it's always boring stuff like "oh I just need to know what scene this character last appeared in, and I can do that with Ctrl+F"
Rachel Rawlings@FrankHghTwr @lokeloski Back in the 90s the Writer's Guild of America (West) had a campaign in the entertainment magazines with famous movie quotes like "I'll have what she's having," and the tagline "Somebody wrote that."
Softwarewolf@lokeloski My job says we should only use it if we already have expertise on the subject... in which case, why use it at all?
Moz@faoluin @lokeloski we can either use it for writing code or writing tests, either way we're entirely responsible for what we contribute.
The junior-ish who was wildly excited is now regretting his decision to spend more time writing tests and at least originally he hoped to spend less time writing code. But the joy of being a junior is that you learn so much so fast!
Not a Spring Onion@lokeloski
Here at the "extremely cheap marketing" department, we tell people that it's okay to use gen AI for everything.
Here at the "extremely cheap marketing" department, we tell people that it's okay to use gen AI for everything.
Adrian Riskin 
It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect all over again.
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The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a claimed cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.
Joep Bos-Coenraad@AdrianRiskin @lokeloski or more generally the egocentric bias. Veritasium has a nice video on this: https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I?si=ZV6CuklywzLekwHd
Why Being Delusional is a Superpower
Alexander The 1st@AdrianRiskin @lokeloski It's one of the reasons that, when pointing out that I do not like Generative LLMs for the work they output, I do emphasize that it's not just *my* programming expertise that I feel this for.
Like, I feel the same way for books; if you wrote it with an LLM, and we can see because a prompt made it into the printed version, that tells me that you did not read what you claimed to have "Wrote" with an LLM - why should I read it then, when I know it can do the same thing it can do for math, or coding, or images?
Peter Bindels@lokeloski GenAI is like a filler, like Bondo. It can take something roughly shaped like the thing you want and smooth it out in all places - but at no point will it actually create things. And like many car fixers that start using filler will tell you, if you use a lot of filler you don't end up with anything functional.
Ratsnake Games 🔞@lokeloski the subtext here is also that at least some artists do not consider other artistic fields "real" art
PhilWill@ratsnakegames @lokeloski
Absolutely, what we do not know intimately we make assumptions about...
They 'just' do their thing, how could it possibly be as important, complex and difficult as the work that I am doing?
Absolutely, what we do not know intimately we make assumptions about...
They 'just' do their thing, how could it possibly be as important, complex and difficult as the work that I am doing?
Deborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦@PhilWill @ratsnakegames @lokeloski
ah, I see it now: *this* is at the root of why mandated AI use is so corrosive. Someone up the heirarchy, not understanding the complexity of the work of their subordinates, declares they are replaceable by the machine.
Hmm. I need to think on this.
Tattie
gkrnours@lokeloski dev seems to be the only one thinking they can replace their own job with AI and everything will be fine
@gkrnours @lokeloski I think that's a niche effect, like considering all the OP to be "creators" and asking why they all think LLMs can do their jobs.
A C++ developer might think that LLM generated Python code is no worse than what they'd write, while a Python dev thinks the same about C++ code. They can both be right, because their cross-field abilities are low.
Mathieu Génois
Craig DuncanTerry Tao?
Erik Johnson@lokeloski Really kind of gets back to cultural acceptance of the idea of "unskilled labor", labor as just something that can be swapped out and dehumanized, merely a resource, a tool, not a high-context manifestation of human effort.
Oggie@lokeloski
https://bsky.app/profile/magicmooshka.bsky.social/post/3mbyyc2lhg22s
The person who wrote it apparently!
baibold@lokeloski AI generation is a useful facimile in a place where nothing would have also been a more or less acceptable alternative.
Which begs the question as to why we're wasting so much money on it.
Mark T. Tomczak@lokeloski Nice! It's like the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect, but for AI output.
Efilroft Sul@lokeloski I wonder if this is an Adobe Creative Campus.
JP@lokeloski Interesting I've also observed a dynamic where if someone - most commonly programmers - sees an LLM producing output that passes initial inspection or does something that they would consider a mark of human-level competence, there's a chance that they're completely beguiled by it and conclude from that point on that LLMs are now basically operating at approximately that competence level across *all fields*. The psychodynamics of it are really alarming and, clearly, socially corrosive.
Developing Stacy 
This is why CEOs assume it can do everything, because they don't know how to do anything.
@lokeloski and CEOs think it can replace everything. I wonder why...
Den of Earth@lokeloski
I recently went to an opera where the composer was not only present but also performing as one of the soloists, among five other vocalists, along with a men's choir, accompanied by a full orchestra.
The backdrop to this rich contribution to human musical art was AI visuals projected onto a screen.
wobweger 
@lokeloski
alt-text screenshot of post by magicmooshka from Jan 7:
recently my friend's comics professor told her that it's acceptable to use gen AI for script-writing but not for art, since a machine can't generate meaningful artistic work. meanwhile, my sisters screenwriting professor said that they can use gen AI for concept art and visualization, but that it won't be able to generate script that's any good. and at my job, 1/2
alt-text screenshot of post by magicmooshka from Jan 7:
recently my friend's comics professor told her that it's acceptable to use gen AI for script-writing but not for art, since a machine can't generate meaningful artistic work. meanwhile, my sisters screenwriting professor said that they can use gen AI for concept art and visualization, but that it won't be able to generate script that's any good. and at my job, 1/2
it seems like each department says that AI can be useful in every field except the one that they know best.
it's only ever the jobs we're unfamiliar with that we assume can be replaced with automation.
The more attuned we are with certain processes, crafts and occupations, the more we realize that gen AI will never be able to provide a suitable replacement. The case for its existence relies on our ignorance of the work and skill required to be everything we don't. 2/2
strange conclusions by those professors,
in my mind it works differently,
when I say #salami output in a field where I'm expert and judge it to be inferior and conclude so-marketed gen AI will not be a competition, I would conclude this is valid for a l l other fields as well, and I as a dilettante in all other fields can be tricked to accept generated output as valid.
in my mind it works differently,
when I say #salami output in a field where I'm expert and judge it to be inferior and conclude so-marketed gen AI will not be a competition, I would conclude this is valid for a l l other fields as well, and I as a dilettante in all other fields can be tricked to accept generated output as valid.
the reason why mentioned professors and departments are willing to accept #salami output in other fields than theirs, may be caused by several year long propaganda on almost any channel, that claim we are living in a AI era, and that this is t h e new technology to be used, we see huge investments and think no one would just burn money on such a flawed dysfunctional slop generating "invention" so it must work
geeeero@lokeloski Very well put. To me, this is similar to the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, where for subjects we have deep knowlege about, we see all the flaws in media reports, but tend to assume that for all other subjects, the media reports are basically fine. @davidgerard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect?wprov=sfla1
David Gerard@geeeero @lokeloski important to note the Gell-Mann effect is made up trash. It's literally something Crichton said once. So imagine how cognitive psychologists feel about it.
@davidgerard ironically I really thought Crichton was smart until he wrote a book around my own field of expertise.
@geeeero @lokeloski
@geeeero @lokeloski
TheOneSwit@Tattie @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski
Well, he is smart. In his field. Like you may be in your fields. It's not possible for a human brain to be smart in evrything.
Erotic Mythology 💘@Tattie @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski He writes well in his area of expertise (i.e. the medical and life science field,) and Jurassic Park will forever be a favourite of mine but I cannot understate how bad Timeline (the time travel book set in medieval France) is. I feel like I can judge both because I'm a biologist and a reenactor LOL
hazelnot 
@davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski could you elaborate on it, or provide some sources? Cause at first glance it honestly feels pretty accurate? Like I've even felt myself slip into this, and I only learned there's a name for it just now 😅
@hazelnot @geeeero @lokeloski well, the linked Wikipedia article for one. If you're demanding I go prove a negative for you, i mean, you could go look yourself.
@davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski I'm not *demanding* anything, I was just asking 💀
I read the Wikipedia article and it didn't seem like trash to me, it says it hasn't been formally recognised but that it's "gained traction in critical thinking and media literacy discussions"
@hazelnot @geeeero @lokeloski and it cites a total of one thing
hence the notability tag
i put a note on the talk page that this is based on almost nothing except a vastly overlength quote and the few sentences in the crichton article do exactly the same job
Resuna@davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski
The story may be made up but the effect is real. I started noticing it in journalism in the '90s... journalists often seemed authoritatively good at stuff I didn't know anything about, but as soon as they started writing about the Internet, or anything else that was at the time a bit esoteric but I know a lot about, their stuff was obvious twaddle.
See also Knoll's Law:
mathew@resuna @davidgerard @geeeero @lokeloski Computer hackers also tend to have the related problem of assuming any other job is something easy that they could do if they deigned to do it. e.g. sales, marketing. (Refuting this is a simple matter of looking at how well free software products are marketed to their potential audience.)
@mathew @resuna @davidgerard @lokeloski In the arena of science, physicists are similar:
Nathan Salwen
bovaz@lokeloski I just shared this at work.
With some of the people pushing for AI integration everywhere.
With some of the people pushing for AI integration everywhere.
bartholin (war, war never changes arc)@lokeloski or programmers asking LLMs to generate code for them, because they cannot code
Arne Böttger@lokeloski I call that Mount Stupid
Andy Wootton@lokeloski Fortunately for AI pushers, most people are ignorant about most things. Optimistically, the Inverse 80/20 rule applies.
Serge 🔻@lokeloski I’ve seen this attitude even in some highly skilled people.
The idea that what they’re doing is obviously complex and requires deep knowledge and skills, but work that others are doing is obviously trivial. Very surprising.
It’s not uncommon for undergraduates to assume some field is easy, because the introductory course they had on it was, but for accomplished professors to have similar ideas about fields outside of their expertise? Why? Is there a psychologist in the house?