.:\dGh/:.

Not against #Fedora, #Linux, or even @UniversalBlue at all, but I don't recommend using Linux on laptops at all.

On desktops? Yeah, it works great. On Laptop, however, I've never got someone who said that his laptops works flawlessly. There is always a catch: webcams, ports, trackpad, speakers, suspend/hibernation.

I'll always recommend a #MacBook instead, over any Linux laptop that is not 100% certified to work.

#FOSS #OSS #Debian #Ubuntu #Arch #LinuxMint ##Manjaro #CachyOS #Bazzite #Bluefin

Mar 5 at 3:16pmTuba
Show threadShaun D BennettMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I wonder why is that? I've a laptop and I'm always getting issues with hardware driver's. Why is #Linux focusing on desktop?
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@talldudelifestyle @UniversalBlue AFAIK, it's because manufacturers don't like to follow standards, especially suspend/hibernate.
Show threadlemgandiMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue

?? Debian works great on my 2012 Macbook, inherited from my wife after she upgraded. It's slow to boot but acceptably fast after. I've got no complaints about the Ubuntu on my Framework 13. I ran earlier versions of Debian on Lenovo machines without major issues.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5

@lemgandi @UniversalBlue Your honor, the defense moves to exclude "Evidence MacBook Wife" and "Evidence Framework 13".

While the prosecution claims is relevant, the probative value is minimal because these laptops have an stable, universally known or curated hardware. These represent a tiny fraction of the entire market of laptops, let alone not being available under $1,000.

Show threadlemgandiMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue

Your rhetoric is cute, but I paid around $900 for the Framework.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@lemgandi @UniversalBlue I wish I could afford that in the current market. Hope the #AIBubble pops hard like a mf.
Show threadRaphaMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I have a HP G4 and use Fedora. I only can't talk about hibernate cause i don't use it. Beside that, every thing works perfect, even suspention.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@raphagm @UniversalBlue How much your laptop costed?
Show threadRaphaMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I bought from a friend. Second hand. More or less $200. I'm from Brazil.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@raphagm @UniversalBlue My condolences on tech and Rodrygo ACL. Anyway, I heard Brazil has it rought on tech due to taxes and imports. I remember that the bootleg market there is huge AF.
Show threadRaphaMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue Yeap. Tech prices here are insane!
Show threadAlan CummingsMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue

Running Kubuntu 25.10 flawlessly on my HP Elitebook, everything just works.

Maybe I'm just lucky. 🤷‍♂️

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@spacemadness @UniversalBlue I have the theory that Linux has more chances to work on hardware that's above $1,500.
Show threadAlan CummingsMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue

Maybe, that's why I always buy used.

$400 Cdn 32gb ram, very fast running linux, but to be fair it was also fast running Windows 11 too.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@spacemadness @UniversalBlue CDN $400!? Did you threaten someone?
Show threadAlan CummingsMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue

Haha no. Lots of companies replace their laptops every couple of years so their are plenty of places to find used ones and the good thing is they are usually pretty high end business machines.

But I did get lucky with the 32gb of ram.

Show threadAdam Trickett  Mar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue been running stock #Debian on laptops for years. Except for a 30 year old Dell which had a proprietary sound card that only worked in Windows 95/98, everything has always worked. I can't remember the last bit of hardware that didn't work out of the box.

Can't really comment on macOS, other than to say I'm running Debian on some old Macs that Apple no longer supports.

My in-laws are all running #Linux without issue.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@drajt @UniversalBlue May be is just me recommending Linux on cheap craptops, I mean laptops.
Show threadAdam Trickett  Mar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I don't deny that some laptops have screwy hardware and come with special builds, such that stock Windows won't work either, but I've not dealt with any myself.

Certainly Dell, HP, Asus, Acer and a couple of generic Chinese designs have all worked perfectly for me in the last 25 years. I've obviously not tried everything, or indeed that many devices from the vendors I've mentioned, but everything just works in my experience.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@drajt @UniversalBlue Maybe their models are different in Latam, only explanation I could have on why I always encounter problems while poeple on the first world do not.
Show threadAdam Trickett  Mar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I wouldn't put it past some companies to cut corners and ship poor hardware if they can get away with it. I couldn't comment on what firms do in other countries.

Having said that, China and India seem to have a booming Linux community, so if firms are playing fast and loose with the standards I would have expected it to be more visible.

Lowest end hardware can be unreliable irrespective of the OS you put on it. See recent bit-flip error stats.

Show threadsepMar 5
@drajt @darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue been only running debian testing on laptops as long as i have had laptops. (15 ish years?) Not really had any issues that i was aware of.
Have never gotten bleeding edge hardware tho, that may have something to do with it.
Show threadMassimoMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I have Linux Mint running on a Lenovo T460s. Works very well and fast. Only thing it does not support, is the fingerprint sensor.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@mcm_63 @UniversalBlue Well, that's expected since each fingerprint sensor manufacturer does "his own thing". Also, that Lenovo T460s was $1,200, I belive craptops don't get so lucky with Linux (at least, most of the time).
Show threadMassimoMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue

I installed Linux Fedora also on a Microsoft Surface, and even the touchscreen and stylus work. Is there anything inferior to a device that has Microsoft written on it? 😉

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@mcm_63 @UniversalBlue Xbox 💀
Show threadMassimoMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue 😂
Show threadRob JohnsonMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue I've used multiple distros on multiple laptops including Surface Go and Chuwi Minibook and 15 year old Acers. I don't recall having issues, other than my modern devices not being as keen on X11.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@robj @UniversalBlue Didn't expect a Chuwi Minibook on Linux, but on a 15 old Acer? I guess most quirks should have been fixed by now lol
Show threadAndrew WigglesworthMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue My laptop works flawlessly with #Debian GNU/Linux.

There you are.

The first laptop I ever bought in about 2002 also worked flawlessly with #gnulinux

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@ecadre @UniversalBlue Eager to know specs and country of origin.
Show threadAndrew WigglesworthMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue It doesn't really matter much. Just buy from manufacturers who support GNU/Linux, or where GNU/Linux support can be demonstrated.

The one I have now is a Thinkpad (using an external wirless "dongle" since I use the Linux-Libre kernel), and the one from 2002 was a Toshiba Satellite that ran SUSE and then Debian. I took an educated gamble at that time since compatibility was harder to research in those days.

Show threadAlexanderMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue Just to pile on. Another one with #Linux on various laptops over the last 10+ years with next to no problems for a good while. Ubuntu desktop and server flavours.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@BongoTwisty @UniversalBlue WHY I AM THE ONLY ONE (ALWAYS) HAVING PROBLEMS.
Show threadFelix DO3FDSMar 5
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue the Main Problem are the manufacturers themselves. They produce their drivers only for windows. That's why SOME laptops still have more problems with Linux. Other is MacBook. Their hardware drivers are completely reingeneered by #asahilinux . another example are dell and lenovo. They deliver special devices with Linux from stock.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@fds2610 @UniversalBlue This. They even change pieces for cheaper ones outside their main markets (USA, Europe).
Show threadkontrollierterWahnwitzMar 5

@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue Running Fedora on a Thinkpad X13 which is certified for Ubuntu and Fedora and everything just runs out of the box.

Webcams ✅
Ports ✅
Trackpad ✅
Speakers ✅
Suspend / Hibernation ✅
Battery Life ✅

Everything works as intended. Before I had a X240 that also just did it‘s job as a Windows machine first, but then became my Linux machine.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue But is certified. It's not that I can say the same on craptops outside first world countries.
Show threadRui CorreiaMar 5

@darkghosthunter @kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue
Dell Latitude 5400 | i5-8365U | 14" | 16 GB | 256 GB SSD | FHD | Webcam

Bought it second hand 4 months ago. No clue if it's certified Linux.
Everything works out of the box on a Manjaro Linux install.
Just perfect.

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@john3voltas @kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue Well, I guess that Intel 8gen is pretty stable comign from Dell. How is suspend/hibernate?
Show threadRui CorreiaMar 8
@darkghosthunter @kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue
So far it's been flawless.
Everything Linux-wise is flawless except the Portuguese special characters. And that will fail me on every computer. It's a bug.
Portuguese language uses some accented vowels like É.
I can write an É but it will fail to write it if it's the first letter of the sentence.
Other than that, everything is flawless.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 8
@john3voltas @kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue I thought everything you required was ç, not É.
Show threadRui CorreiaMar 8
@darkghosthunter @kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue
Nah. We have lots of accents.
À Á É Í Ó Ã Õ
And I'm sure I'm missing a couple on that list.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 9

@john3voltas @kontrollierterWahnwitz @UniversalBlue Wait until you get into Chile. Who needs accents.

"Oye la weá weona weón, hay que ser muy aweonao". 😎

Show threadDean W¯\_(ツ)_/¯Mar 5
@darkghosthunter had a couple of other ThinkPads before this x13, all hw(sound WiFi BT webcam fingerprint) work 💯. Got a E14 ThinkPad as well, same...
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 5
@angrylinus I guess Thinkpads are Linux friendly.
Show threadSP⟁CED GO⟁TMar 6

@darkghosthunter @angrylinus

There are also laptops designed by other companies with Linux explicitly in mind that do not tend to have hardware compatibility issues with Linux. System76, Framework, Tuxedo Computers are a few.

Show threadAdam Williamson Mar 6
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue My laptop works flawlessly.
Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 6
@adamw @UniversalBlue Which specs? How much did it cost?
Show threadjohn r red-horseMar 6

@darkghosthunter

I've got a us$600 14in Lenovo Yoga 7 with an AMD cpu/igpu that I've been running #fedora #linux on since I bought it. It does all of the things you suggest you need, including suspend. I've never tried to hibernate.

I had a Yoga 6 prior to that. Same experience.

@UniversalBlue

Show threadTekchipMar 6

@jrredho @darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue Framework 13 AMD literally everything just works.

I tend to see this take from folks that tend to run less mainstream distros or distros with real slow conservative update schedules.

Avoid Nvidia, pick a modern distro with a reasonably quick update cadance, have a good time.

Show threadMarcos DioneMar 6
@jrredho @darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue hybernation is even more supported that that, because instead of reying on not well documented hardware, it relies on well supported hardware (disk and power odf).
Show threadjohn r red-horseMar 6

@darkghosthunter

I think it's safe to say that there are many, many laptops that run #linux just fine.

However, if one were being prudent, it does make sense to check resources such as https://linux-hardware.org/ prior to buying yours. I've never done that. :)

@UniversalBlue

Linux Hardware Database

A database of all the hardware that works under linux

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 6
@jrredho @UniversalBlue Guess I'll have to take that webpage into consideration before recommending Linux blindly to laptop holders.
Show threadjohn r red-horseMar 6

@darkghosthunter

There's also this one: https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware
I'm sure there are others if you look for them.

Once you see that something runs on a version of Linux, it's a very good bet it'll run on other distros.

Good luck!

@UniversalBlue

Hardware - Debian Wiki

Show thread.:\dGh/:.Mar 7
@jrredho @UniversalBlue Thanks, great link!
Show threadTheRedstoneDEV_DEMar 6
@darkghosthunter @UniversalBlue Well I've been running Linux on a whole variety of laptops (ThinkPad X280, two HP ones, Tuxedo with dedicated NVidia graphics) and had no problems at all, besides the mute button light not working on one of the HP ones. The only one of those "certified" to run Linux is the Tuxedo one.