Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy
Toxic idealism
Spineless capitulation
Mindless cynicism
"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness
And lazy entitlement
Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism
Make MAGA the target of your venom
@benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.
Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.
i won't troll you but i will castigate you
never mention #Chomsky again
nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine
Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein
he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker
Fuck #NoamChomsky
And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:
A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left
Chomsky is not of the left
Not anymore at least
Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.
See what non-human victims go through
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interesting hijacking angle
and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts
like i said i don't have a problem with your agenda, but i might suggest an improvement in your approach
if you want to win converts and exert more influence, don't proactively go out of your way to make enemies with potential allies or at least ideology-adjacent people
we both know MAGA laughs at you, and me. so why must we fight? what is achieved? giving MAGA aid by bickering with each other while they advance?
lead with inclusion, not exclusion
There's such a thing as toxic positivity and inclusion, I think its a dangerous idea to say that everyone on the broadly defined "left" should put aside their differences to fight the right. Especially when many of the same values that make the right a threat poison the left: what about people who want to abolish capitalism and call lgbt a capitalist scourge, what about leftists that defend china as a necessary evil to overthrow western hegemony, or the example I gave leftists that uphold human supremacist power structures and kill other animals for their own enjoyment, or leftists that perpetuate white supremacy or ableism. These are just off the top of my head
#Left #Leftism #Capitalism #LGBT #China #HumanSupremacy #WhiteSupremacy #Ableism
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Ambiyelp, i'm calling toxic idealists fucking morons destroying the left
i'm very far from toxic positivity
"what about leftists that defend china as a necessary evil to overthrow western hegemony"
so that's just championing totalitarianism
nevermind china is capitalist, so you're now incoherent in your complaints about capitalism
so in the end, you're not a leftist at all. just deeply confused
@ambiguous_yelp @benroyce I am absolutely in agreement with this since I wrote a post similar to this just now
Tankies aren't on the left. They embrace authoritarianism, which is impossible to reconcile with any leftist values
Sure they imagine themselves on the left. But what someone thinks they are can sometimes be illusionary
Tankies are in some temporary transient evolutionary state of ideology, as they reconcile their conflicting beliefs, to eventually mutate into their true form: fascists
@benroyce @ambiguous_yelp well I agree that tankies are authoritarian and bad. But I would not exactly say it's accurate to call them fascist. Since fascism is not just a synonym for authoritarianism but specifically refers to Palingenetic ultranationalism. the theory of ultra-national rebirth. The idea that nations are equivalent to organisms that can live grow and die and that the solution to society's problems is to create a new nation. A newly regenerated ultra Nation.
This is part of the symbolism behind the bundle of sticks. That each of the sticks represent the individual parts of the organism and all of it together represent the entire organism that is the nation. Now that being said I do think there are some tankies that are fascist such as Nazbols since they combine ml central planning with Palingenetic ultranationalism.
Now that being said. I get what you're trying to say. But my point is that they're commonly labeled as leftist by most people. And because of that makes me feel like the word leftist is meaningless. if a person calling themselves a leftist can be that socially conservative and reactionary
Exactly
People need to stop thinking of tankies as "far left". The concept of tankies being on the left can never be considered valid and has to be flatly rejected
It is not possible for someone to consider themselves to be on the left and also embrace authoritiarianism. It's a completely impossible scenario
And I agree they aren't fascist. I meant that fascism is the eventual destination of their incoherent positions as they work through their bullshit
@benroyce @ambiguous_yelp I guess the way I feel is that many of the ideologies on the left are so radically different from each other that many of them are often incompatible. like even if you were to exclude tankies from it. You still have Anarchist and social Democrats.
Which their end goals and methods are radically different from each other. Since anarchist want to build an alternate society from within by not using the state. While social Democrats want to reform capitalism from within to make it into a more softer welfare capitalism. like my point is that infighting is inevitable from that because their end goals and analysis are so radically different from each other.
I guess this goes into a question of how do you define what is left and how do you make that into a coalition that can work
i would say that the (true) left all have one goal:
power to the people
*how* you achieve that goal?
yes, all very different strategies
of various effectiveness and long term vs short term goals
that's easy
fascism creates nothing but only consumes. it has to generate more and newer outgroups endlessly to abuse, until it implodes. in the case of MAGA, they aren't rich, so their future fate is as the outgroup: cannon fodder. like russian ethnofascists dying in ukraine or german nazis... also dying ukraine
so the delineation is:
for the people, genuinely
or for the people, as a thieving con job on bigoted morons who don't see they are being robbed
Well let's see how we can take our wisdom and fix this rotten world
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