@benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

@TenPastTwo

i won't troll you but i will castigate you

never mention #Chomsky again

nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

Fuck #NoamChomsky

And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

Chomsky is not of the left

Not anymore at least

@benroyce

Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.

See what non-human victims go through
VVV
https://nationearth.com

#Left #Leftism #Vegan #Veganism #TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #LeftistUnity

@ambiguous_yelp

interesting hijacking angle

and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts

@ambiguous_yelp

like i said i don't have a problem with your agenda, but i might suggest an improvement in your approach

if you want to win converts and exert more influence, don't proactively go out of your way to make enemies with potential allies or at least ideology-adjacent people

we both know MAGA laughs at you, and me. so why must we fight? what is achieved? giving MAGA aid by bickering with each other while they advance?

lead with inclusion, not exclusion

@benroyce

There's such a thing as toxic positivity and inclusion, I think its a dangerous idea to say that everyone on the broadly defined "left" should put aside their differences to fight the right. Especially when many of the same values that make the right a threat poison the left: what about people who want to abolish capitalism and call lgbt a capitalist scourge, what about leftists that defend china as a necessary evil to overthrow western hegemony, or the example I gave leftists that uphold human supremacist power structures and kill other animals for their own enjoyment, or leftists that perpetuate white supremacy or ableism. These are just off the top of my head

#Left #Leftism #Capitalism #LGBT #China #HumanSupremacy #WhiteSupremacy #Ableism