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JA WestenbergRSS never tracked you.
Email never throttled you.
Blogs never begged for dopamine.
The old web wasn’t perfect.
But it was yours.
Email never throttled you.
Blogs never begged for dopamine.
The old web wasn’t perfect.
But it was yours.
Daniël Franke 
@Daojoan Yep, I've noticed that lately I've been regressing my tech a bit, and it feels great. Also, old models with new tooling makes for a better experience, as long as that tooling isn't made by the corps that got us in the current mess.
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Andres Jalinton@Daojoan
I still use RSS daily.
Email is my primary work communication medium.
I still host blogs and microbloging software.
Some would say I live in the past, but I'm enjoying myself.
@Andres they can have my RSS reader when they pry it from my cold dead hands
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Ra@temptoetiam @Andres @Daojoan Thanks, i'd never thought of doing that; Schema/syntax for rssing blusky accounts:
Eg.
https://bsky.app/profile/'NAME'.bsky.social/rss
Eg.
https://bsky.app/profile/'NAME'.bsky.social/rss
Tim ChaseEmail has its flaws, but it's the lingu-franca of communications.
Pretty much the first thing I do in any _other_ communication platform is enable email notifications. SalesForce, Trello, Jira, GitHub, Teams, Chatter, Yammer, Slack, or whatever the latest $DAYJOB hawtness is for improving team communication? Send it all to email. If it doesn't show up in my email inbox, it might as well not exist.
Tangentially, I use rss2email, so even my RSS feeds show up in my email 😉
Patrick H. Lauke@Daojoan but...but...KPIs! engagement metrics!
התנועה לזכויות דיגיטליות@patrick_h_lauke @Daojoan noticed how they never measure engagement with family and friends? Set KPIs for mental wellbeing and sleep cycle? It's like they work for big psychiatry!
Denzil Ferreira@patrick_h_lauke @Daojoan inflated by bots 🤪
Sara Joy 
@Daojoan it's still there, I'm convinced we've just collectively forgotten how to surf the web
Luna Lactea@jackemled @Daojoan oh I agree, and I do.
Grassroots JoeNow that's some nostalgia I can get behind.
Von Xylofon@joeinwynnewood @Daojoan That's literally my daily life. It's still here, you just need to look.
Simon Hain@Daojoan A friend of mine got a bill from Telekom for replying to a mailing list - each recipient was billed separately, and only 200 e-mails per month were included.
But that was maybe an even older web
But that was maybe an even older web
zygmydI will say that email platforms absolutely definitely throttled you but only in the same way that a human person was not allowed to stick a hundred thousand pieces of lettermail in the corner box.
Anthropy@Daojoan warning: Message delivery request rate limit exceeded: 50 from hostname Daojan
Funes@Daojoan my Dragonball Z angelfire fan page with an endless scroll of stolen gifs however did beg for dopamine
Murdoc Addams 🧛🏻
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Ben ToddAs always, it's what happens to a good thing when money grabbing capitalists abuse it for monetary gain.
ferricoxide
Kelsey Jordahl@Daojoan blogs definitely begged for dopamine, but it was slower release than the kind we have now.
Quincy Peck
Forst@Daojoan Even these got ruined nowadays. RSS feeds often don't have the full article text. Email contains tracking pixels and links. "Blogs" have texts behind paywalls and cookie warnings. We need the old web back.
@forst Problem with that is - we often paywall our stuff these days so that it isn’t all just scraped and summarised by a smorgasbord of bots. It’s such a balancing problem
Ariella@Daojoan hello I've been following your post for a while most say you are part of the reason I'm still on here
Tobias A. Franke@forst @Daojoan I use two solutions for this more and more:
1. Some readers like NetNewsWire have a builtin readability mode. They take the URL of the RSS entry, run it through reader mode and present it as if it were the RSS entry itself. Works fantastic even on feeds that only push a URL and no text at all.
2. I coded a read-it-later service for myself that extracts entries and pushes them to a feed I subscribe to, it’s here: https://github.com/thefranke/rss-librarian
@thefranke @Daojoan Didn't know about (1), that's brilliant, thanks!
I made some custom RSS exporters for myself as well for sites that don't have a feed :>
@thefranke @Daojoan I use NetNewsWire, and it also allows this per-feed, as it turned out. Immediately enabled on the offenders.
@thefranke @Daojoan A custom Python thing, I write in what I'm familiar with. But I'm open to porting it if it can benefit more people :>
@forst @Daojoan Are you familiar with this project? https://rss-bridge.org
Basically a PHP framework where you can easily write bridges that scrape a webpage and turn them into a feed, caching and everything else is already managed by the framework.
@thefranke @Daojoan Wasn't familiar with it until now, thank you for sharing!
Don't know how interested they would be in a plugin for a very local website, but could be a fun little project :>
Don't know how interested they would be in a plugin for a very local website, but could be a fun little project :>
Yaoi Box Balloon@Daojoan Old web gave serotonin. Mmmm.
gary@Daojoan this is just euphoric recall - at least nor/xor you have total recall
R@Daojoan to join the "well actually" crowd, email absolutely did have throttling, although retry and backoff logic tended to be much more reliable and well-tested back then
there was a lot of the old internet that wasn't democratized and "yours" (e.g. acquiring connectivity, acquiring compute), although the details have shifted around a lot
Serenus@r @Daojoan I feel like there were models for democratized connectivity? The earliest setup I remember using was through torfree.net, and they were one of a group of freenets running under a co-op model, I think. Looks like they’re still around and offering free service as well, which is a pleasant surprise.
@Serenus @Daojoan yeah, this existed in various places (*especially* _outside_ the United States, where suburbia and monopolies really ruined things). there also existed people hosting stuff on spare computers and using dynamic dns providers
you gain some, you lose some. nowadays connectivity and compute are *way* easier and more affordable, but the cultural knowledge that you _can_ self-host seems to be disappearing
Scott@Daojoan I wish the major browsers would bring back built in RSS!
użyszkodniczka@scottwhat @Daojoan what if someone made alternative? like also newsfeeds but just in other format :)
WILLIAM B PECKHAM@scottwhat @Daojoan Vivaldi is a major browser with built-in RSS. I really prefer a standalone RSS reader that is configurable. (On Linux) But If you consider the only major browsers Chrome or Mozilla, then you are out if luck. I depend heavily on RSS and will as long as it's an option.
SvenTracked you? Hmm, they all left logs. I processed logs in the 1990's to see where people where located. I mean, no cookies, but they did everything they could to track you then. Yes, we throttled email, but they came through after a day or two. Server could not handle the volume.
Pachacutec@Daojoan
I blogged in the 00's on #politics and now I'm blogging again on #Creativity #music and #Psychology but I have tracking cookies disabled on my site. And no ads.
I blogged in the 00's on #politics and now I'm blogging again on #Creativity #music and #Psychology but I have tracking cookies disabled on my site. And no ads.
LovesTha🥧@Daojoan silently deleting or spam filtering feels a lot like rate limiting.
Marie et Julien@Daojoan @temptoetiam sorry but blogs ALWAYS begged for dopamine.
Daniel Saidi@Daojoan US ultra capitalism perverted it into a dystopian hellscape.
JennyFluff 
💾@Daojoan IRC never died
Jeff Noxon@Daojoan I was so sad a couple weeks ago when the SMBC feed removed the content. I'll only see it now when it gets shared by copy/paste.
Andrija Petrovic@Daojoan And it still is ❤️🔥
Digital Financial Market@Daojoan the internet has changed significantly, now it the time to take it back!
RegMost of the old internet is still there, it's just been buried by the corporate web and largely ignored by smartfones.
What we need is a way to convince our friends and family to ditch their corporate theft-and-nudge-ware and pick up the old open protocols.
@ReggieHere @Daojoan Yeah it has gotten so out of hand I have really decentralized my content creation to multiple platforms now