@pete asks:

I found myself stuck in my highest gear ~20km from home yesterday and so sought out as flat a route as possible to ride home, repeatedly hopping off to walk anything that got too steep.

Q7. What do you do if you find yourself stranded mid-ride? Call for assistance? Walk? Public transport? Set up camp and live off foraged nuts and berries?

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7: I mean, if my legs still work, I’m not stranded.
I took a bus home with a broken bike after a car hit me, once. I’ve limped broken frames home, twice, and pedaled home one-legged after snapping a bb spindle (more than once).

Calling home (and inconveniencing someone to come get me) is always a very last resort for me.

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A7. It has never occurred to me that because my partner doesn't drive, it would be no good calling home. And often I don't carry a lock if it would be easier to come home and get the bike later. I need to rethink things.

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@nothingfuture @ascentale @pete @bikenite those are some interesting mechanicals!

@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7 based on the two times I've had catastrophic breakdowns while far from home:

- take the bus as close to home as I can get. Unfortunately my e-bike is 1" too long to fit on the bike racks, so this is dependent on the driver being merciful and the bus mostly empty

- call my LBS for roadside assistance because it's really hard to pedal with only one crankshaft

Worst case, if I have a lock with me, secure the bike somewhere and call a cab.

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite On most derailleurs, cassette high gear is the default position when there is no cable tension. If this comes up while riding, usually the cable binding screw has loosened up (if you are unlucky, the cable broke or you have a non-standard shifting system). Since I carry tools, the solution to avoid the forage for berries life is to put the chain on the highest gear (if not there already), pull moderate tension on the derailleur cable and then tighten the cable binding screw down (again moderately, as you can cut it by over-tightening). This is usually sufficient to get you on the road to home, where you can dial in the (index) shifting.
@pmcdonald @ascentale @pete @bikenite I've had reasonable luck with cable ties too, work out which bit is getting pulled by the cable, thread the cable tie through and do it up one tooth at a time until you get a usable gear.
@nickzoic @pmcdonald @ascentale @pete @bikenite We've had this happen enough with our bike team that I carry spare cables. They are light enough and I carry a small pair of pliers with my multitool. That said, your solutions sound easier than trying to install a new cable while out on a ride. Replacing the cable is more for desperation situations.
@cmgrowell @pmcdonald @ascentale @pete @bikenite yeah the cable tie thing is more about getting it rideable enough to reach somewhere comfortable to crack out the tools and spares, although you might find a 1x9 or a 3x1 are still pretty good :-)
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A7.
The trails we ride are pretty civilised and crisscross roads frequently, so worst case is walk a couple-three km back to the road, then hitch-hike back to the car at the trailhead.
Once partner had a flat, but were close to a road crossing so I rode back to the car and drove to pick them up.
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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7: Our busses carry bikes so it's mostly a matter of getting to closest transit. If that's a problem, I'd phone for help.

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7. Twice I walked a few miles to the train (flat tire in one case, flat tire and two bad spokes in the second case), not great, but manageable and I try to plan my routes around having a fallback plan. Once it was worse and I was farther (about 130 miles from home), I called a friend of mine who lived 10 miles away from there who I was meeting anyway, who picked me up and took me home (and then I went to urgent care).

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite I guess my plan for even remoter problems is probably to walk to the closest town and work my way back to civilization from there (they say experience weighs nothing, but a credit card weighs almost nothing and gets you out of a lot of situations if you can afford it).

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite which sounds exactly like what Megan said earlier:

"If one has money and resources, unexpected breakdowns can be a moment to mellow out & accept things, notice/enjoy what's around you"

@djuber @ascentale @pete @bikenite for more remote trips I take enough tools that I can fix most things, even a spare brake cable if I have cable brakes or a gear cable if not. Plus a spare tyre as well as tubes.

I use them more often to help other people, but still worth carrying.

But that's remote as in cycle touring around Australia :) You can't always walk to the next town, and not all roads/tracks have enough traffic for waiting to be a good idea.

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> (and then I went to urgent care)

OK, *that's* the real story. What happened?

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@bobjonkman @ascentale @pete @bikenite I lost my wallet and backtracked to find it, paid more attention to the ground where the wallet might be than where my wheel was, slipped into the grass, bike followed the front wheel into the woods, started going down the hill towards the creek, I cried audible "shit, shit!", the front wheel snagged a sapling, bike flipped, I thudded to the ground, chain cut into my right calf (chains are nasty on a good day, I'd been on limestone for hours).
@bobjonkman @ascentale @pete @bikenite I was able to walk out of it, but they put stitches in the next day, and the day after took them out because urgent care didn't clean the wound and it got infected. I was on antibiotics for 17 days because the first round wasn't enough. Anyway, trip got cut short and I spent most of my vacation with my leg elevated.

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Wowsers! Glad that hasn't deterred you from biking!

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@djuber @bobjonkman @ascentale @pete @bikenite Aiyee. That's bad. Glad you made a full recovery!

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Wow, what a horrible experience. Glad you only had to have stitches and it wasn't worse.

@djuber @bobjonkman @pete @bikenite !!! Wow what an experience. Sorry, and glad you had a friend nearby.
@djuber @ascentale @pete @bikenite I had four broken spokes in a front wheel once. Riding partner offered to ride on and come back by car, but with a spoke wrench I was able to tease the wheel into a true enough shape to limp on to the next town where a mechanic did a proper repair.

@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7: I'm just going to be the smug Rohloff owner for a second if that's ok :)

Sydney trains take bikes and cover an area the size of The Netherlands so it's rare to be in an urban area *and* more than 5km from a train station.

With derailleur bikes I'll use the limit screw to get into at least the second-to-worst gear, or I'll wedge a stone or something into the mechanism to get into a mid gear. The spring tension holds it in place :)

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I bring tools and spares for some key parts on long rides so I can get going again if there’s a problem. Since I spend a lot of time away from reception, I also have a gps messenger.

As a last resort, I have AAA, which has a bike emergency pickup option in NY, though the one time I needed it they didn’t help since I was out of state. Re-assessing whether it’s worth it.

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A7. The last time I broke down on a bike, I had broken the chain on my road bike. My wife picked me up that time. I wasn't carrying any tools on that particular ride.

For MTB, I carry a lot of tools, including a chain breaker, which totally saved me when I broke my MTB chain at Tamarancho in Marin County. That field repair allowed me to finish the trail circuit and avoid a long walk back to my car.
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@ascentale @pete @[email protected] A7: I haven't been stranded in the middle of a ride in a while, but when I did, I typically took transit. One time I called for help was when I fell and broke my kneecap. 😅

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite I carry a set of zip ties on my saddle bag for that reason.

Zip tie the derailleur body in some kind of middle gear

@baloo @ascentale @pete @bikenite I saw this setup on youtube earlier today, in a pinch you need maybe five zipties to set the right tension between the chainstay and the seatstay, set a loop for the chain to ride through, and another pulling the bottom section of chain up to an appropriate tension.

Me, I would hope to never do it, but it's useful to see it once and know it's possible. My "adventure" is never more than a few hours walk from a town, but there are people going wild.

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@djuber @ascentale @pete @bikenite I’m not sure I visualize what you’re describing. But I got home mostly fine with two zip ties on the derailleur arm where the cable ties it when the derailleur cable snapped (essentially what the derailleur cable does).

Happened to me twice on two different bikes.

@baloo @ascentale @pete @bikenite I realized I misunderstood what _you_ were saying when I re-read it - this was something more like forcing tension on the chain when the derailleur cable isn't helping, using zipties to build a channel for the chain to pass through on both sides. Getting the derailleur to do its job sounds a lot easier!

@djuber @ascentale @pete @bikenite it gets you home. Usually with the chain somewhat skipping and making noise.

I also Jerry-rigged something similar on an enviolo when one of its cable snapped.

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A7. I mostly ride around town, and mostly the plan B if something strands me is to park and lock the bike and then hike out to a bus stop. The buses around here do have bike racks but they don't like to haul e-bikes.

The last time I had a tire with a blowout I was fortunately only a few blocks away from a bike shop! But I know that wouldn't always be the case.

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#BikeNite A7: Last year my rear wheel seized on my way home, some 15km out. I was still in the city, so I took the bike back to the office on the bus, then had to take a cab home (no rural night transit out here). Next day took the bus back to the office, then walked the bike to the LBS, transit back home, then used the car to pick up the bike when it was fixed.

I'm the only driver in my family, so no convenient pick-up for a broken bike for me...

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7: My worst so far was running late about 15km from a campground where I planned to overnight. During a steep climb with 30kg of gear it turned dark, then it rained, then there was lightning. I reached the top okay, began to descend, and the rear tire blew. In the rain in the dark I fixed the flat, rode on, and then (at midnight) I couldn't find the $@#_&! campground. I pitched the tent on a shoulder in the rain and located the campground in the morning.
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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7 #bikenite. A definite "it depends". All of the above, depending on circumstances - leave the bike at work & catch the bus home is the easiest option. A sprint-walk 5km to kid's childcare one time when I punctured & realised the pump & spare tube was at home in my other bag. Improvisation with wire and a bit of rope got me 20km to the next town on a bike tour once

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A7. And just as I read this, Tom Wait's Broken Bicycles started to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nadKt9BaFZ4

Coincidence? I think not.

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite #BikeNite A7. I never ride even as far as 10 km from home. Everything in my local radius is within about 4-5 miles, at most, and I do not ride off-road, so there is no such thing as "stranded" for me. If something goes wrong with my bicycle, I simply walk it home. I don't really even bother with carrying tools, anymore, because the worst case scenario is a 4-5 mile walk home pushing my bicycle, or an ambulance ride to the hospital or morgue, unless I break a wheel.

@ascentale @pete @bikenite #bikenite A7: Just walk / hitch / whatever out, I guess. I did have to remove the derailleur the other day to get it back to rollable but at least it was only about 3km back to the trail head.

This is why I carry a lock on the bike though, if I had to leave it I could at least lock it to a tree ... which wouldn't stop a determined thief but might at least dissuade a helpful "oh look an abandoned bike" person from salvaging it before I got back to collect it.

@ascentale @pete @bikenite #BikeNite A7 Had two such occasions over the years. When we got stranded first time, we were disappointed to try AAA’s promise of #RoadsideService for bicycles, only to experience—after long hold times and long waits— local AAA towing contractor had “no bike rack, and no way to haul a bike." Sheesh! What we did next time, with excellent results (unlike AAA) was call our ex, who was happy to help immediately. In Monterey County, you can also sign up for Emergency Ride Home for specific circumstances (see section 13 of our countywide bicycling resources directory - https://bikemonterey.org/resources/bicycle-shops-in-monterey-county).
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@ascentale A7.

I take tools and spares so I try not to get stranded. I make sure my bikes are in good working order with nothing loose, malfunctioning or worn before every ride.

Only once I had to call for help (Wife+car) when a spring in my rear mech broke 30km from home. There are some friends I could also call for help.

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7. I'd call a taxi-minibus in the worst case, but it's not yet come to that. A few lifts from family and friends and a couple of walks carrying the bike, in 40 years. #BikeNite #BikeTooter #Cycling #MastoBikes

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All of the above if required. Whichever is easiest!

@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7: Around Boston, transit is a pretty good rescue option, depending on if you can put your bike on the bus racks. If it's harder to get transit, call, either for repair help or rescue

I have had 2 occasions where I've called for rescue, one or 2 transit returns, and 2 walks (one because it was entirely too late at night)

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A7: we don't have a car so I can't even call for an assist. So it will be public transport or in the worst case a taxi.
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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7 #BikeNite most of the above (no foraging) plus I am pretty handy and carry tools and some likely parts to help reduce the risk of being truly stranded. Work/home has a transit option, plus there is always Lyft etc. I have also walked.

@ascentale @pete @bikenite #BikeNite A7. I've had to call my wife to come get me a couple of times due to double flat tires, where either the spare tube was faulty or I got a 2nd flat due to not pumping up the tire again.

On trail rides we've walked out riders due to injuries and mechanicals. If we're far enough out on the trails we try our hardest to fix things, which is why we carry various spares and zip ties and tools, etc.

Lately we've been having a lot of battery problems with electronic drivetrains where it isn't just the battery not being charged, but the contacts or electronics themselves. Starting to wonder if those systems are not reliable after a certain age or due to riding in the rain, which we've had recently. No fun riding essentially a single speed in hilly terrain.

@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7. Usually I could either take a bus or call my spouse or walk. In my 30+ years of riding as an adult, I’m only recalling doing each of these 1-3 times. On more remote rides, I try to ride with someone else. I do always carry Id and have road id bracelet on any longer or remote rides, but thinking I should also have some kind of tracking when out of cell range.
I recall a previous #bikenite question about roadside assistance options but I haven’t used.
@ascentale @pete @bikenite I could see using a taxi or ride hail service in some scenarios but have never done so.
I realize this and other options come with privilege that likely contribute to making cycling inaccessible to some.

@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7. It's happened a few times when I really needed to get home for daycare pickup. I generally hoofed it and took MARTA (which was already part of the plan anyway) or called an SUV ride share/taxi to take me and the bike to where I needed to go. I've never been stranded SO far, though. Maybe like 5km.

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@ascentale @pete @bikenite A7 Non-bike story. Ran out of gas with a couple of friends about as remote as you can get down the Big Sur coast and up Nacimiento-Ferguson road. Slept in the chaparral looking at the ocean from a hill crest, stole chain saw gas from the rangers, and coasted down hill, then up Highway 1 to a gas station. No foraging required. More bushwhacking to find a camping spot. Back to biking:
Either I make my way home, or my husband and I have a standing agreement to rescue each other. I also always carry a lock. If I have to leave my bike while I get help, I want it to be there when I get back. #bikenite

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A7. Mostly just walk my bicycle, if it's less than 12 kilometers. When I had access to public busses with bicycle racks I would use those.

Over that, and now, I would call my spouse. An understanding friend when she can't.

I've been lucky with strangers helping me out when the bicycle wouldn't roll.

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