Nikola Grcevski 🇨🇦
Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFOHundreds of thousands of Computers won't be able to upgrade to Windows 11, but that shouldn't make them eWaste.
Kudos to the @kde team for this amazing initiative!
Sjoerd Aalbers 🇪🇺🇾🇪🇺🇦
Little Art Histories
Heathen 🐈@art_histories @saalbers @jmaris @kde
I'm dumb as a rock and I love Linux Mint. I only had to learn about three things and they were easy to look up.
I'm dumb as a rock and I love Linux Mint. I only had to learn about three things and they were easy to look up.
clewthe power of fed-up-ness should not be underestimated!
good way to write documentation: when someone who is deeply fed up comes looking, will this help??
arceuthobium@theothersimo @jmaris @kde If you choose a package manager like apt-get, it is quite strait forward. A lot of third-party software has a Linux version as well.
Roth Child@thechildofroth @kde I personally have never understood the hate for systemd. I think people are upset about feature creep, but honestly, I personally can't get excited or angry about a service manager.
LisPi@jmaris @kde @thechildofroth Systemd is opinionated about how it does many things and several distros have decided to integrate with its ecosystem more or less tightly.
This can cause considerable friction for those who beg to differ with those default preferences.
This can cause considerable friction for those who beg to differ with those default preferences.
@lispi314 @kde @thechildofroth I don't see how this is an issue? If those who beg to differ have a problem, surely they also have the motivation to build alternatives? That's why projects like Alpine exist?
@jmaris @thechildofroth @kde Debatably, Alpine works for a rather specific use-case and isn't primarily intended as a desktop user-facing distro (it certainly can still be used as one).
There are some distros that purposely do not tie in too deeply/strongly with systemd to permit replacement without considerable disruption, as well as those that specifically do not use it. The experience with the latter may be degraded due to less maintenance contributors available/involved, depending on what they based themselves on.
As for building alternatives, that's a lot more effort (and delay) than distro users generally want to go through.
There are some distros that purposely do not tie in too deeply/strongly with systemd to permit replacement without considerable disruption, as well as those that specifically do not use it. The experience with the latter may be degraded due to less maintenance contributors available/involved, depending on what they based themselves on.
As for building alternatives, that's a lot more effort (and delay) than distro users generally want to go through.
EaterOfSnacks@lispi314 @jmaris @kde @thechildofroth Something like MX or Gentoo will trog along perfectly happily without systemd. They're hardly esoteric distros and I use both without having software installation issues 🤷
Hey Gus@lispi314 @jmaris @kde @thechildofroth great summary. If you’re an average desktop user you very likely will never notice or care about systemd.
OTOH it does a lot of things (debatably well). Which flies in the face of the Unix philosophy for something very core to Linux as an OS.
Cybarbie@jmaris @thechildofroth @kde the problem is exactly that - most people who run linux do not want the wrongheaded windows design because of all the problems it comes with but are forced to because the distros adopted it not for the benefit of users. also its garbage and I curse every time it reminds me
crab@thechildofroth @jmaris @kde systemd is a program responsible for managing a variety of system tasks on Linux systems, most notably managing the running and communication of background programs (such as the program which handles sound, the program which handles wifi, the program which controls printers, etc). But it also manages things like booting, networks, user sessions, DNS, etc.
Systemd is relatively new and replaced a system where many different programs were responsible for all of the individual tasks, whereas Systemd is one monolithic whole. Some people preferred having many individual programs and thus dislike systemd. Some people also dislike that systemd is so ubiquitous it is almost mandatory (some programs won't work without it). But broadly these things are not really important to "normal" users.
Elias Probst@operand #systemd by itself is - contrary to popular belief - not monolithic at all.
It consists of dozens of individual components, which interact more or less tightly coupled together, but nearly every component can be theoretically replaced or disabled if not needed/wanted.
The misbelief wrt it being monolithic might stem from the fact, that everything is developed within a single project/repository and every component mostly follows the same design patterns.
Cali@eliasp @operand @thechildofroth
The push back that I have seen was that systemD is relatively new/untested, and in server-land reliability is ESSENTIAL. Also in in world of unix-like systems the stability of the platform is a feature.
Add the things together and systemD starts to look like a risk, and risk is generally to be avoided. Thus many have stepped back from deploying systemD when they can.
That all said systemD has been under heavy development and is not the Wiley little new critter it once was. Is it as tried as SystemV (the widely known and predictable precursor to systemD), no. It **is** a much more robust option than when it began. It is becoming more of a philosophical question if systemD is a showstopper or not.
schrotthaufen@thechildofroth Sytemd takes care of managing system services like starting network interfaces (or software to manage them), or a daemon that mounts removable media so you don’t have to do these things on the terminal. It does *a lot* of other things, which is a huge point of contention. It all started when the udev device manager was merged into systemd. However, most critics just suck it up, because the init part is vastly superior to e.g. the old System V style init systems. @jmaris @kde
Raymond Russell
Jennifer Moore 😷
Carl Schwan 
@jmaris KDE and many other open source organizations :)
ck0
Kevin Jardine
Christian Bardey@kevinjardine Then you are not paying attention when using Windows 11, since the advertisement is obvious. The "spyware" refers to Windows itself, since it sends back a lot of what you do to Microsoft. @jmaris @kde
@kevinjardine @kde they did put ads in the start menu. Plus there is an enormous amount of data collection for targetted ads..
Troed SångbergWhat do you consider Recall to be?
(My 12yo kid asked me to switch our their Windows 11 to Linux because of, mainly, it)
Benjamin Monjoie@kevinjardine @jmaris @kde
Windows is collecting lots of information about its users as explained in their own documentation: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy/data-collection-windows
Some of it cannot be turned off and most of it is hidden away so people don't turn them off. Looking it up will yield lots of articles about how badly they are spying on you
Windows is collecting lots of information about its users as explained in their own documentation: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy/data-collection-windows
Some of it cannot be turned off and most of it is hidden away so people don't turn them off. Looking it up will yield lots of articles about how badly they are spying on you
Karma Sahne - R.I.P @natenom@neuimneuland @kde exactly the point of the campaign!
François @Jura
Philosia
Earsmeardius
Dagnabbit, Pascaline! 🌼@pascaline Owchie, I can see why a VM might be good for this, adobe products are difficult to run under linux :(
Yeah, it's a pain.
I would love to switch, I even had a CD years ago, it was all good. But nothing Adobe. And switching from one to the other takes so much time, sigh.
Suramya Tomar@fossunited this seems like something we should be pushing in India as part of the foss push. I didn't see any events/places happening in India on the site (https://endof10.org/)
Happy to volunteer for events in Bangalore.
Tejas 
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Barry Goldman
Nick Appleyard
ahoyboyhoy
Capricious Day@jmaris ✨Linux✨
G. Gibson
Petri Salmela
Jigen Daisuke, Jr@jmaris for those who might want chrome OS-alike experience but with Linux - https://universal-blue.org/. For KDE, GNOME and gaming lovers.
Graeme 🏴
rastilin@rastilin @jmaris @kde You can download the iso from microsoft. eg: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-10-enterprise
Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC
Miakoda 
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Bytebro 🇬🇧 🇺🇦Same same. Good, innit?! I now have 3 perfectly usable laptops, all running various flavours of Linux, for basically bugger-all other than a little of my time.
I should start hawking them round some of the local community groups who provide IT kit to those without such.
KDE@bytebro @hellomiakoda @jmaris
That definitely works:
Amazing work - I thought this was the case.
If anyone knows of such organisations in the locality of Bristol UK, I'd be delighted to have a chat with them.
Boost for reach, if you wouldn't mind, thanks!
tivasyk@hellomiakoda fsck, my favourite scheme has been hijacked! this is basically how i buy stuff that goes generations :-) i got three super-powerful three-band home routers running openwrt in mesh because i couldn't stop myself from buying them dirt-cheap when folks decided they all needed wifi 5 gen or smth :-) now i'll start collecting laptops and pcs :-)