@thechildofroth @kde I personally have never understood the hate for systemd. I think people are upset about feature creep, but honestly, I personally can't get excited or angry about a service manager.

@jmaris @kde @thechildofroth Systemd is opinionated about how it does many things and several distros have decided to integrate with its ecosystem more or less tightly.

This can cause considerable friction for those who beg to differ with those default preferences.

@lispi314 @kde @thechildofroth I don't see how this is an issue? If those who beg to differ have a problem, surely they also have the motivation to build alternatives? That's why projects like Alpine exist?

@jmaris @thechildofroth @kde Debatably, Alpine works for a rather specific use-case and isn't primarily intended as a desktop user-facing distro (it certainly can still be used as one).

There are some distros that purposely do not tie in too deeply/strongly with systemd to permit replacement without considerable disruption, as well as those that specifically do not use it. The experience with the latter may be degraded due to less maintenance contributors available/involved, depending on what they based themselves on.

As for building alternatives, that's a lot more effort (and delay) than distro users generally want to go through.