Hundreds of thousands of Computers won't be able to upgrade to Windows 11, but that shouldn't make them eWaste.

Kudos to the @kde team for this amazing initiative!

https://endof10.org/

End of 10

@jmaris @kde I followed this through to distrochooser and took their survey out of interest (happy with Debian already, really).

Why is systemd seemingly a bone of contention/ showstopper for some people? (What even is systemd?)

@thechildofroth @jmaris @kde systemd is a program responsible for managing a variety of system tasks on Linux systems, most notably managing the running and communication of background programs (such as the program which handles sound, the program which handles wifi, the program which controls printers, etc). But it also manages things like booting, networks, user sessions, DNS, etc.

Systemd is relatively new and replaced a system where many different programs were responsible for all of the individual tasks, whereas Systemd is one monolithic whole. Some people preferred having many individual programs and thus dislike systemd. Some people also dislike that systemd is so ubiquitous it is almost mandatory (some programs won't work without it). But broadly these things are not really important to "normal" users.

@operand #systemd by itself is - contrary to popular belief - not monolithic at all.
It consists of dozens of individual components, which interact more or less tightly coupled together, but nearly every component can be theoretically replaced or disabled if not needed/wanted.

The misbelief wrt it being monolithic might stem from the fact, that everything is developed within a single project/repository and every component mostly follows the same design patterns.

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The push back that I have seen was that systemD is relatively new/untested, and in server-land reliability is ESSENTIAL. Also in in world of unix-like systems the stability of the platform is a feature.

Add the things together and systemD starts to look like a risk, and risk is generally to be avoided. Thus many have stepped back from deploying systemD when they can.

That all said systemD has been under heavy development and is not the Wiley little new critter it once was. Is it as tried as SystemV (the widely known and predictable precursor to systemD), no. It **is** a much more robust option than when it began. It is becoming more of a philosophical question if systemD is a showstopper or not.