Molly Whitejust noticed that tiktok muted the audio on a video of mine because of a copyright strike based on... silence
Oliver D. Reithmaier@molly0xfff kinda sus
Eric A. Meyer@molly0xfff I did not realize John Cage’s estate’s lawyers were so aggressive.
Kraftwerk-Das Model Collapse@Meyerweb @molly0xfff they're the meanest mimes around
Jargoggles@dngrs @Meyerweb @molly0xfff
They mailed a very stern cease and desist letter in the form of a blank sheet of paper.
They mailed a very stern cease and desist letter in the form of a blank sheet of paper.
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIESif molly had made her video 4 minutes and 32 seconds, or 4 minutes and 34 seconds, she would be fine. but no...
Anders Göran@benroyce @Meyerweb @molly0xfff I did a cover of 4’33 that I posted to YouTube just the other day. It happened to be exactly a second too long, so must be why they didn’t react. Although I did not explicitly write in the description what it was a cover of.
Matt Griffin@molly0xfff John Cage still fucking with people…
jz.tuskInfringing on Simon & Garfunkel?
Max Wainwright@molly0xfff they should’ve added sounds, really
Viss@molly0xfff ... you can copyright silence?!
Taggart 
John Cage: 4'33'' for piano (1952)
K. Reid Wightman 
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@Viss @molly0xfff Probably the estate of John Cage reported it :P. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEFKFiXSx4
John Cage's 4'33"
A performance by William Marx of John Cage's 4'33.Filmed at McCallum Theatre, Palm Desert, CA.Composer John Adams wrote the following in The New York Times r...
@reverseics @molly0xfff this is the sorta shit that makes me think there needs to be a civillian owned police force that swoops in on ropes through windows to clobber specific individuals with folding metal chairs. because this seems like the perfect opportunity to highlight a person who desperately needs to be hit in the face with a folding metal chair
Luna chan
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥
scottley@Viss @molly0xfff I wish some would try harder with this goal...
Pomax@Viss @molly0xfff there are two types of musical copyright. Recordings, and compositions. Even if the composition is silent, e.g. "4:33" by John Cage, there *is* a composition and it counts.
You would lose the argument that a 3 minute video is "4:33" though.
(but if someone releases a video that's exactly 4:33 long and is just silence, anyone with any sort of musical education would know that's a direct reference to Cage's work, and so would constitute a composition copyright violation)
Philip McGrath@TheRealPomax @Viss @molly0xfff But 4′33″ isn’t just silence! For one thing, it’s divided into three movements, which performers must communicate somehow. At a deeper level, 4′33″ is about the *impossibility* of silence.
(Also, the usual score specified that 4′33″ may “last any length of time.” Any attempt to raise a copyright issue would run into the compulsory license for music recordings, for one thing.)
@LiberalArtist @Viss @molly0xfff Copyright doesn't care about the underlying intent, only whether the work will reasonably be assumed to "be" another work. It's why derivative works can still be copyright violation.
And yes, that's idiotic. It'd be lovely if we could abolish all the nonsense around modern copyright law.
@TheRealPomax @Viss @molly0xfff But a “silent” performance in one movement, or four movements, would clearly not be 4′33″, not would a digital audio file consisting of a flat line be a recording of it.
With my musicologist hat on, I do agree that copyright law is often ontologically incoherent. Even so, 4′33″ is specific piece of music—one I deeply love—not a catch-all for silence. It was neither the first nor the last piece of “silent” music: see e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_silent_musical_compositions
nachtet@TheRealPomax @LiberalArtist @Viss @molly0xfff
What if it was a parody?
Philip C James@TheRealPomax @Viss @molly0xfff
Not necessarily. As Eric Morecambe pointed out, he was playing all the right notes though not necessarily in the right order...
Andre Previn: Playing All the Right Notes! A tribute from the Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show 1971
@PhilipCJames @Viss @molly0xfff There are some delightful defenses for this very specific case, and it's truly ridiculous that companies are allowed to use computers can both automatically flag works as violations, and be made to do so without scrutiny of the reporter, when they can't equally be given evidence or even case law that disproves a claim.
txerren 🇵🇸@molly0xfff the algorithm is never wrong
powersoffour@molly0xfff Inspired by this, I went to look up the "John Cage estate sues" story about 4'33" and found that it was a gag:
John Breen@molly0xfff Simon and Garfunkel ?
The Other Brook@molly0xfff I blame Simon and Garfunkel.
Aoife 🦫 🏴@molly0xfff Audio stolen from 4:33
Mistress Remilia@molly0xfff 
John Cage's 4'33"?
John Cage's 4'33"?
Neia masks@molly0xfff Wait, doesn't it infringe even worse now that it's been muted?
Florian Haas@neia This is the correct question to ask.
SIEM Shady@molly0xfff Vaguely reminds me of paying for "NEAT". https://infosec.exchange/@CDubbs/110382130845608963
SIEM Shady (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image @[email protected] Reminds me of the time we ordered Gin with an upgrade to "neat".
refraction 
@CDubbs @molly0xfff that's bold
Andrew Zonenberg@molly0xfff They muted it, but it's still infringing!
Zelda 👑@molly0xfff MEANWHILE, IN ALGORITHM LAND:
sqrt(-1)@molly0xfff wow, that... was... the sound of silence
/me runs
trindflo@molly0xfff There were zero replies to this and when I clicked on reply there were 14. Half refer to John Cage, which is what I was going to do. I think I've chosen the right server.
Rik D'huyvetters
Dresden S has moved@molly0xfff John Cage, "4'33""
Wulfy—Speaker to the machines
Coles Street Pothole@molly0xfff Based on the title alone they must think you have poached this somehow. 😆 I assume you just had three minutes of actual silence. Well done.
3 MINUTES OF SILENCE ft. Bella Ramsey | Omeleto
mirabilos@molly0xfff abusive removal requests ought to be punishable
monument valley girl
Jason J.G. White@molly0xfff Would the copyright in question be due to John Cage? 4 minutes 33 seconds for solo piano?
happyborg@molly0xfff
If they start charging for silence I'm gonna make a lot of noise!
If they start charging for silence I'm gonna make a lot of noise!
gim@happyborg @molly0xfff nah, nah, nah, that's also baddie in copyright's world.
https://gizmodo.com/man-s-youtube-video-of-white-noise-hit-with-five-copyri-1821804093
That's @littlescale@twitter
Feoh@molly0xfff Clearly we need an "AI is going JUST GREAT!".
Thank you for all you do. Love your work!
noodlejetski 
andrybak@molly0xfff YouTube's copyright ID was* abused with white noise and sounds of typing a couple of years ago, this isn't at all surprising.
*(maybe still is, I haven't followed the story)
Ciggy Bringer of SmokeThis is exactly why the amount of seriousness someone treats something with is inversely proportional to the amount of seriousness they say they treat it with.
Sham 🏳️🌈@molly0xfff ...I don't know that you can actually comply, all things considered
Ambient Sponge@molly0xfff I had that happen once. The only sound on the video was my own voice.
Sybren Stüvel 🧡🤍@molly0xfff So... they replaced it with silence? Infinite "sound" removal loop!
Cat 🐈🥗 (D.Burch) 
@molly0xfff Unauthorised use of Silence©️ will get you banned. 🙃
That's right up there with high school recital videos getting copyright strikes on Youtube by Sony for playing classical music.
PunnO)))@molly0xfff Did they replace the copyrighted silence with public domain silence?
Rob@molly0xfff that's not what Simon and Garfunkle meant damnit
Nathan A. Stine@molly0xfff did you change the sound?
Douglas King@molly0xfff
Wait a sec. By muting it aren't they then violating the copyright.
Wait a sec. By muting it aren't they then violating the copyright.