I got ahold of the Copilot+ software.

Recall uses a bunch of services themed CAP - Core AI Platform. Enabled by default.

It spits constant screenshots (the product brands then “snapshots”, but they’re hooked screenshots) into the current user’s AppData as part of image storage.

The NPU processes them and extracts text, into a database file.

The database is SQLite, and you can access it as the user including programmatically. It 100% does not need physical access and can be stolen.

And if you didn’t believe me.. found this on TikTok.

There’s an MSFT employee in the background saying “I don’t know if the team is going to be very happy…”

They should probably be transparent about it, rather than telling BBC News you’d need to be physically at the PC to hack it (not true). Just a thought.

I ponder if Microsoft's engineers are following the SQLite code of ethics, since they're using it in Windows OS with Copilot+ Recall? :D https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html
Code Of Ethics

So the code underpinning Copilot+ Recall includes a whole bunch of Azure AI backend code, which has ended up in the Windows OS. It also has a ton of API hooks for user activity monitoring.

Apps themselves can also search and make themselves more searchable.

It opens a lot of attack surface.

The semantic search element is fun.

They really went all in with this and it will have profound negative implications for the safety of people who use Microsoft Windows.

If you want to know where tech companies are with AI safety, know Microsoft Recall won’t record screenshots of DRM’d movies..

..but will record screenshots of your financial records and WhatsApp messages, as corporate interests were prioritised over user safety.

And it’s enabled by default.

I’ve managed to get Recall working in full on a non-Copilot+ system, without an NPU. Will accelerate testing.

Copilot+ Recall feature pop quiz:

You deal with a sensitive matter on my Windows PC. E.g. an email you delete. Does Copilot Recall still store the deleted email?

Answer: yes. There's no feature to delete screenshots of things you delete while using your PC. You would have to remember to go and purge screenshots that Recall makes every few seconds.

If you or a friend use disappearing messages in WhatsApp, Signal etc, it is recorded regardless.

It comes up a lot as people are rightly confused, but if you wonder what problem Microsoft are trying to solve with Recall:

It isn't them being evil, it's business leaders who are middle aged and can't remember what they're doing driving decision making about which problems to solve.

A huge amount of business leaders are dudes who have no idea what the fuck is happening. This leads to the Recall feature.

Microsoft exists in and is driven by that bubble.

I asked Microsoft Copilot to write a song about Copilot+ Recall.
Managed to find out how BBC News printed in a headline story that it was not possible to steal Recall data without being physically at the device (which is false) - this is from the journalist:

Some screenshots of Recall's SQLite database here: https://mastodon.social/@detective/112513529733646088

Just to clarify, I can access it without SYSTEM too. Microsoft are about to set cybersecurity back a decade by empowering cyber criminals via poor AI safety. Feature ships in a few weeks.

The latest Risky Business episode on Recall is good, but one small correction - it doesn’t need SYSTEM rights.

Here’s a video of two MSFT employees gaining access to the Recall database folder - with SQLite database right there. Watch their hacking skills. (You don’t need to go this length as an attacker, either). Cc @riskybusiness

I’m not being hyperbolic when I say this is the dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade. Good luck to my parents safely using their PC.

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

My look at the feature, FAQs from the community etc

https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

I wrote a piece recently about Copilot+ Recall, a new Microsoft Windows 11 feature which — in the words of Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella- takes “screenshots” of your PC constantly, and makes it into an…

DoublePulsar

this is the out of box experience for Windows 11's new Recall feature on Copilot+ PCs. It's enabled by default during setup and you can't disable it directly here. There is an option to tick "open Settings after setup completes so I can manage my Recall preferences" instead.

HT @tomwarren

You allow BYOD so people can pick up webmail and such. It’s okay, because when they leave you revoke their access, and your MDM removes all business data from the machine ✅

What the employee does: opens Recall, searches their email, files etc and pastes the data elsewhere.

Nothing is removed from Recall, as it is a photographic memory of everything the former employee did.

Just in time for Copilot+ Recall!

Security and privacy researchers - You can now install Copilot+ Recall on any ARM hardware (doesn’t need an NPU) or in Azure VMs.

Guide from @detective

The devices launch THIS MONTH to customers so I suggest people look at this.

https://github.com/thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

GitHub - thebookisclosed/AmperageKit: One stop shop for enabling Recall in Windows 11 version 24H2 on unsupported devices

One stop shop for enabling Recall in Windows 11 version 24H2 on unsupported devices - thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

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Nvidia just announced that Copilot+ and Recall are coming to AMD systems. https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd
Nvidia and AMD are bringing Microsoft’s Copilot Plus AI features to gaming laptops

Asus and MSI are launching AMD- and Nvidia-powered gaming laptops that include Microsoft’s Copilot Plus AI features.

The Verge
Somebody made a tool called Total Recall to dump Recall database and screenshots. https://x.com/xaitax/status/1797349055917416457?s=46
Alex (@xaitax) on X

Will release TotalRecall in a few days. Loads to play with and to work on. Thank you @GossiTheDog for the inspiration! #WindowsRecall #CyberSecurity #Microsoft #TotalRecall

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Recent DHS published report handed to the US President which said it had "identified a series of Microsoft operational and strategic decisions that collectively pointed to a corporate culture that deprioritized enterprise security investments and rigorous risk management"

Microsoft: let’s use AI to screenshot everything users do every 5 seconds, OCR the screenshots, make it searchable and store it in AppData!

Searching Recall database for passwords with @awakecoding
🫡

If anybody is wondering if you can enable Recall on a machine remotely without Copilot+ hardware support - yep.

I’ve also found a way to disable the tray icon.

I went and looked at YouTube for Recall to get out of the echo chamber and I can only find one positive video. Even the people at the event are slating it, including people with media provided Copilot+ PCs.

There’s some content creators who’ve realised it records their credit cards, so they’re making videos of their cards going walkies.

It’s going to be interesting to see how Microsoft get out of this one. They may have contractual commitments to ship Recall with external parties.

I thought they were risking crashing the Copilot brand with this one, but I was wrong looking at the videos and comments on them - I think they’re crashing the Windows consumer brand.

The reaction to photographic memory of what people do at home has - you’ll be surprised to know - not been seen as a reason to buy a device, but a reason why not to.

Windows Central, about the only outlet giving Recall positive coverage and having articles tweeted by Microsoft staff - have updated their take after being hands on with a device. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-should-recall-windows-recall-security-researcher-finds-microsofts-new-ai-tool-woefully-insecure
"Microsoft should recall Windows Recall" — Security researcher discovers Microsoft's new AI tool is woefully insecure

The security story around Windows Recall hits a brick wall as it's discovered the data it collects is unencrypted.

Windows Central

Microsoft has been declining to comment on criticism of Recall for a week - but they have apparently told a journalist off the record at Future that changes will be made before Copilot+ devices drop in the coming days.

This may include an attempt to invalidate researcher criticism, we’ll see.

WIRED has a piece about Total Recall, a now released tool which dumps keypresses, text and screenshots (they’re JPEGs) from Microsoft Recall

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Total Recall software by @xaitax https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall

Example search for ‘password’:

🪟 Captured Windows: 133
📸 Images Taken: 36
🔍 Search results for 'password': 22

📄 Summary of the extraction is available in the file:
C:\Users\alex\Downloads\TotalRecall\2024-06-04-13-49_Recall_Extraction\TotalRecall.txt

This Hacker Tool Extracts All the Data Collected by Windows’ New Recall AI

Windows Recall takes a screenshot every five seconds. Cybersecurity researchers say the system is simple to abuse—and one ethical hacker has already built a tool to show how easy it really is.

WIRED

I hadn’t been aware until today of the external reaction to Recall. Holy shit. Tim Apple must be pleased.

Everything from media coverage to YouTube to TikTok is largely negative. All the comments are negative.

These videos have tens of millions of views and hundreds of thousands of comments.

I knew it would be bad but.. it’s worse. I’ve spent hours looking at the sentiment and.. well, they probably would have got better coverage from launching an NFT of pregnant Clippy.

A key element of Recall is Microsoft say only you can access your Recall, it is per user.

ArsTechnica enabled Recall on Windows 11 box and tested the claim. By logging in as another user they could access the database and screenshots.

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/windows-recall-demands-an-extraordinary-level-of-trust-that-microsoft-hasnt-earned/

Windows Recall demands an extraordinary level of trust that Microsoft hasn’t earned

Op-ed: The risks to Recall are way too high for security to be secondary.

Ars Technica

If you want to know how Microsoft have got themselves into this giant mess with Recall, here’s what the documentation says between the lines:

you, the customer, are a simpleton who doesn’t want to be an AI genius yet. Have a caveman mode.

Recall and Copilot+ is also coming to ASUS systems, including AMD, in a deal with Microsoft.

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs https://www.asus.com/us/news/pnm9tg6qccql6ern/

Nvidia announced they are bringing Copilot+ and Recall to PCs, in a deal with Microsoft: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd

ASUS Announces Complete Portfolio of AI-Powered Copilot+ PCs at Computex 2024

Fremont, Calif., June 3, 2024 - ASUS today ushered in a new era of Copilot+ PCs — featuring advanced AI capability with 45+ TOPS NPU AI engines — during its Always Incredible

ASUS

Three Copilot+ Recall questions that keep coming up.

Q. Can you alter the Recall history?

A. Yes. You can change the OCR database and change the screenshots as the logged in user or as software running as the local user. There is no audit log of changes.

Q. Are they snapshots, as Microsoft says, or screenshots?

A. They are just screenshots, jpegs.

Q. What is to stop apps on your machine accessing your Recall covertly?
A. Nothing. There is no audit log of access.

.@awakecoding becomes the latest person reverse engineering Microsoft Recall https://x.com/awakecoding/status/1798168395583746216
Marc-André Moreau (@awakecoding) on X

@MalwareJake Recall is a melting pot of everything wrong with modern Windows: Per-user app and settings MSIX app setting virtualization Intune MDM per-user policies WinRT generated proxy code Enabled by default, opt-out If you hate it, it's in there, I tell you

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If anybody is wondering what Microsoft's reaction to any of the Copilot+ Recall concerns are, they're continuing to decline comment to every media outlet.

I've seen comments MS staff have been given for enterprise customers, which are nonsense handwaving.

Product ships live on devices from Dell, Lenovo etc this month. https://x.com/zacbowden/status/1798221879741931847

Zac Bowden (@zacbowden) on X

Microsoft has gone radio silent on Windows Recall.

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As @tiraniddo rightly points out, anybody can programmatically reach the Recall database without admin rights. https://infosec.exchange/@tiraniddo/112566044174482506
James Forshaw :donor: (@tiraniddo@infosec.exchange)

Damn, I really thought the Recall database security would at least be, you know, secure. Turns out Microsoft did pretty much what I blogged about for WindowsApps, except you need to find a specific WIN://SYSAPPID instead. So to bypass the security just get the token for the AIXHost.exe process, then impersonate that and you can access the database, no admin required. Or, as the files are owned by the user, just grant yourself access using icacls etc :D

Infosec Exchange
TotalRecall has been updated to exfiltrate Recall database and screenshots without needing admin rights: https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecall
GitHub - xaitax/TotalRecall: This tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC's activity snapshots.

This tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC's activity snapshots. - xaitax/TotalRecall

GitHub

You can now remotely dump Recall data and screenshots over the internet from Linux etc. Changes in flight for parsing data too.

https://github.com/Pennyw0rth/NetExec/pull/335

Add Recall module for dumping all users Microsoft Recall DBs & screenshots by Marshall-Hallenbeck · Pull Request #335 · Pennyw0rth/NetExec

Gets all users Recall folders and dumps them, then renames screenshots to include .jpg (unnecessary but helpful). I cherry-picked the download_folder functionality from #320 and then improved it du...

GitHub
YouTubers are continuing to have fun with Recall

Turns out speaking out works.

Microsoft are making significant changes to Recall, including making it specifically opt in, requiring Windows Hello face scanning to activate and use it, and actually encrypting the database.

There are obviously going to be devils in the details - potentially big ones.

Microsoft needs to commit to not trying to sneak users to enable it in the future, and it needs turning off by default in Group Policy and Intune for enterprise orgs.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

Windows won’t take screenshots of everything you do after all — unless you opt in

Microsoft is making its controversial AI-powered Recall feature optional. The changes come after security experts warned the feature could be a disaster for cybersecurity.

The Verge
@GossiTheDog thank god
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Managed to find out how BBC News printed in a headline story that it was not possible to steal Recall data without being physically at the device (which is false) - this is from the journalist:

Some screenshots of Recall's SQLite database here: https://mastodon.social/@detective/112513529733646088

Just to clarify, I can access it without SYSTEM too. Microsoft are about to set cybersecurity back a decade by empowering cyber criminals via poor AI safety. Feature ships in a few weeks.

The latest Risky Business episode on Recall is good, but one small correction - it doesn’t need SYSTEM rights.

Here’s a video of two MSFT employees gaining access to the Recall database folder - with SQLite database right there. Watch their hacking skills. (You don’t need to go this length as an attacker, either). Cc @riskybusiness

I’m not being hyperbolic when I say this is the dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade. Good luck to my parents safely using their PC.

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

My look at the feature, FAQs from the community etc

https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

I wrote a piece recently about Copilot+ Recall, a new Microsoft Windows 11 feature which — in the words of Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella- takes “screenshots” of your PC constantly, and makes it into an…

DoublePulsar

this is the out of box experience for Windows 11's new Recall feature on Copilot+ PCs. It's enabled by default during setup and you can't disable it directly here. There is an option to tick "open Settings after setup completes so I can manage my Recall preferences" instead.

HT @tomwarren

@GossiTheDog @tomwarren poor form. But they want the big number of "x number of installs use recall"

@GossiTheDog @tomwarren It occurs to me: people are perhaps worried that the natsec issue here is that someone gets a screencap of an email with our nuclear launch codes or something. No, the problem is when someone gets the screenshots of the emails between that person and their paramour from their private PC.

If I were a counterespionage analyst...I would suddenly want to do healthcare policy as the less clusterfucked option.

@GossiTheDog "You're in control of your privacy"

which is why we're literally not giving you any controls over your privacy

@GossiTheDog @tomwarren *long aggravated sigh*. Oh good, the typical current era Microsoft choice screen. 
@GossiTheDog @tomwarren wait, does it at least open the relevant Settings screen? Or do you need to navigate to it manually?
@GossiTheDog Is it time for the "fake shock" gif again?
@WhyNotZoidberg @GossiTheDog It’s a bit on the nose that they called it “Recall”, the thing automakers do when they have a product defect so catastrophic and widespread even they can’t ignore it or cover it up.
@GossiTheDog What the utter fuck were they thinking?
@GossiTheDog Probably bigger news than the Trump conviction.
@phaedral you know, if MS we’re smart they’d have used the Trump conviction noise as a great smokescreen for walking this back. Do the right thing and catch minimal media flack for it while the Big Story is playing out.
@GossiTheDog it's rare that I see a Q+A section that has the q and a I want to see

@GossiTheDog "A lot of Windows users just want their PCs so they can play games, watch porn, and live their lives as human beings who make mistakes.."

The rest is good too, I just really liked this part.

@GossiTheDog
All I really want to know is how to turn it off until I can switch to LINUX permanently.

@GossiTheDog

People were telling me to calm down about this.

I AM CALM OKAY WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!

Lol.

@GossiTheDog I wonder if https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/copilot-plus-pcs#shop explains the inability to walk this back.

It is one thing to walk it back after a pre launch preview and an insider build, but to do so after a panel of hardware vendors have built production laptops is another thing entirely.

I also wonder if the at edge dragnet is part of trying to do safer, personalised AI, like we would want, and a competitive advantage compared to Google, but which shows that would never be safe either.

Shop Copilot+ PCs: A New Era of Windows AI PCs and Laptops | Microsoft Windows

Shop the newest Windows Copilot+ PCs on the official Windows site. Explore Windows AI features built into a new class of AI PCs and laptops.

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@GossiTheDog better now than later, I guess
@GossiTheDog
So if this is everything ever done and kept forever on the local PC, how long till the storage capacity is exceeded ?
@the5thColumnist @GossiTheDog Don't quote me on this but what I've seen so far is that by default Windows will set aside 50Gb (yes gigabytes) of storage from YOUR pc to save this data. Once it reaches that limit I guess it removes older 'snapshots' so it has room to continue recording. Apparently the size can be user defined but I'm sure there will be some minimum size (still gigabtyes) that can't be changed.
@Bot4Sale @GossiTheDog
There have been a few times when programs have just inexplicably closed on me when I would have wanted to get material not saved back, BUT that would be a maximum of the last hour's work, and a rare occasion. If I could trust the data would only be stored locally and not accessible by others, maybe a useful feature, BUT I don't think I would trust Microsoft enough to opt in if I had the choice.
@GossiTheDog Microsoft think most users run as admin? Srsly, having set up Windows systems so the users don't get to run admin and then tried to set up some third-party software for them, I think there's certainly third-party developers who think all users run as admin.

@hairyvisionary @GossiTheDog I think they’re right.

Most users don’t understand the difference between a normal user and admin, they just want to install their apps. So they run as admins.

The only time they are saved from themselves is if they’re running a work rig that’s managed by IT.

@GossiTheDog tl,dr:

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT on any PC of mine.

@GossiTheDog so if you happen to be looking at your medical records.....

ummmmmmm.........

@GossiTheDog this is a nightmare in the corporate world. Personal and sensitive information has to be protected and appropriately destroyed. Organisations are already struggling with that with users saving personal information to places like OneDrive. Many organisations disable saving to PCs for this reason.

The idea of every PC becoming a repository of personal and corporate information with no clear retention controls is horrifying.

@jhpalin @GossiTheDog
I imagine anyone in a reasonably security conscious org will disable this via GPO.
@GossiTheDog yep we’ve since discovered that… nice to see something concrete on this, cheers… And we’ve been enjoying your recall adventures, nicely done!
@GossiTheDog @riskybusiness the pc i gave my parents is perfectly fine for what they need to do but with the end of win 10 i gotta replace it and now this even tho the pc they will get wont support recall, it just makes me even more mad :/
@GossiTheDog @riskybusiness @hacks4pancakes I continue to be amazed by how apt the product name is, and eagerly await the release of the Microsoft Recall Recall.
@GossiTheDog @riskybusiness So admin rights are all that's required to access it?
@GossiTheDog @riskybusiness I'll try to answer my own question lol - it seems like you only need access to a specific profile: "Recall snapshots are only linked to a specific user profile"
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs?r=1#faq2
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@GossiTheDog @riskybusiness Not clear if this is a complete fix anymore but this site has reg keys to nuke copylot. https://www.elevenforum.com/t/completely-disable-and-remove-copilot-in-windows-11.23264/
Completely Disable and Remove Copilot in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to completely disable the Windows Copilot preview feature and remove Copilot from the taskbar, Windows Search, and Microsoft Edge for all users in Windows 11 and Windows 10. Copilot in Windows provides centralized generative AI assistance to your users right from...

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@GossiTheDog @riskybusiness the fundamental idea behind Recall is actually pretty good. Offering the feature within a reasonable risk appetite is really hard to do, though. And it seems like it was designed without a serious security review.
@GossiTheDog so, full history stored in a db that is almost certainly as easy to forge sessions in as it is to read

@GossiTheDog isn't it like the other "secure" directories? They are quite secure unless you visit them once and click continue on the shield. And once that is done, the protection is gone for good.

But hey, they warned you when you clicked continue. It's not like it's reasonable to expect it to only apply to the current instance of explorer or anything.

@GossiTheDog

This ist also worth noticing:

According to Axios Microsoft is "exploring if there are ways that make sense to allow the feature to work across devices."

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/21/microsoft-windows-11-ai-recall-copilot-pc

Microsoft promises AI will give PCs total recall

A Windows 11 feature will allow anyone to find anything they've ever done on their PC.

Axios
@docht @GossiTheDog wait, do they have a source? Where is Microsoft supposed to have said that?
@bou @GossiTheDog Sorry, the article doesn't give a source. If you want further information, you'll have to ask the autor.
@GossiTheDog could a user with brief access to my computer use the browser to copy the entire database and then look at it on another computer?

@GossiTheDog

Right. Because Microsoft never, ever, told a lie to a reporter before, right?

Right?

@GossiTheDog

So they republished a press release or press statement?

Last time I checked that was called Public Relations not Journalism 🫤

@simonzerafa @GossiTheDog All tech journalism is public relations.
@GossiTheDog It's those beautiful blue eyes. Windows to the soul.
@GossiTheDog But... Microsoft told them... Are you insinuating that Microsoft was *gasp* lying? Whatever should a poor, impressionable journalist ever do?
@GossiTheDog oh to see the world with the innocence of that journalist 🥹
@GossiTheDog :amidala: so you're changing the online story, right?
@GossiTheDog not if attackers are able to break the encrypted screenshots being sent to microsoft

and yes, i know microsoft insisted the screenshots stay on your PC, but i have absolutely no reason to believe that considering the potential profit incentive from using the screenshots for data harvesting or AI training
@mjdxp @GossiTheDog profit disincentive of being fined a kajillion dollars
@ipg @GossiTheDog only if they're caught, and they'd most likely be fined a few million max, a tiny fraction of potential profits
@GossiTheDog That's real journalism for ya. You go straight to the offender and ask if he strangled his dog. That's how you get the truth. Because fuck evidence.
@GossiTheDog rule one of journalism, always check and double check your sources