Jeannette Eggers
David HoI find it weird that newspapers characterize students as being “pro-Palestinian” as opposed to anti whatever you call this.
Petrichor ᚄᚔᚅᚐᚁᚆᚃᚒᚔᚂ@davidho Absolutely. Amazing they're not called antiwar. But then, this is a world in which antifa (anti-fascist) can be considered wildly radical
DrArtAnalytics
Justus@davidho because they demonstrate that only one of the conflict sides should stop they actions and not the other... #BringThemHomeNow maybe
And this is just an possible explanation, not an excuse for an actions in this conflict
OpticalNail 🇵🇸About the two sides that you're mentioning - I'm assuming they are, at their core, Israel and Hamas. They are not independent. They are not two different countries that both want control over the same thing.
In Israel's case, Hamas was born because of the Israeli occupation. (It was also aided by Israel/Netanyahu, but I'll ignore this for now). If Hamas stops, Israel will continue what it has done for the past 70+ years. If Israel stops, Hamas will cease to exist. Extremist groups have power only if the general population is desperate (I would love if you can find a counter example to this, I cannot right now).
Regarding the current conflict, all the ceasefire talks resolved to this: Hamas asks for a two-state solution, Israel refuses a two-state solution. There is a single side that can and has to give in here.
@arh sorry but if the situation was not so tragic, it would be the joke of the day. Hamas what's a two-state solution?
And just to make it clear, I'm not agreeing with what the IDF is doing (also in important specification, as they are massive criticism in Israel against what is happening in Gaza)
@AtJack This is what the talks were about. I don't know if they would like a two state solution, officially they have also said that Israel must be destroyed, sure. But in the ceasefire talks from a few weeks ago they said that their condition (among others) is for Palestine to be recognized as a sovereign state. They have to compromise after all.
HeavenlyPossum
Andrew@davidho
Israel has from the outset of this genocide sought to reframe things in its favour, which as we've seen they've actually done quite successfully.
They've normalised to an extent, in some important senses, the very concept of genocide
Israel has from the outset of this genocide sought to reframe things in its favour, which as we've seen they've actually done quite successfully.
They've normalised to an extent, in some important senses, the very concept of genocide
pang pang trululu trululu@Shivviness @davidho there is no proof of genocide in the gaza strip
mark@kiki_mwai_mwai @Shivviness @davidho you aren't allowed to close your eyes and cover your ears and then claim no proof.
There is a legal definition, and it's being met in many of the ways needed. We know this even without a free press on the ground or actual transparent investigations.
@kiki_mwai_mwai @davidho @Shivviness
Every Holocaust denier, every Armenian genocide denier, every fascist lickspittle who denied the plain and undeniable truth—now you know what their subjective experience was like.
Lee 🏖️@kiki_mwai_mwai @Shivviness @davidho
pang pang just goes around and repeats this. I've already seen this exact comment from that account elsewhere
pang pang just goes around and repeats this. I've already seen this exact comment from that account elsewhere
RD
Kathryn Kaiser@Shivviness @davidho this is absolutely true. A glaring example is the intentional targeting and destruction of all health care services and providers. Hospitals, clinics, ambulances. Never have I heard of this done so liberally.
@verity_blue @davidho
Zionists have the audacity to tell us not to believe the evidence of our own eyes, and to instead swallow their propagandising.
Governments around the world are taking careful note of what Israel and the US are currently getting away with and likely thinking to themselves, "we, too, could push the envelope in terms of how much we take from and encroach upon the rights of the public"
Zionists have the audacity to tell us not to believe the evidence of our own eyes, and to instead swallow their propagandising.
Governments around the world are taking careful note of what Israel and the US are currently getting away with and likely thinking to themselves, "we, too, could push the envelope in terms of how much we take from and encroach upon the rights of the public"
@Shivviness @davidho Not just Zionists. All colonizers. It’s the colonizer playbook.
rusty@Shivviness @davidho always been good at PR, in spite of the lies.
TC Won't Give In To Lies@davidho
Sure as hell ain't a "targeted self defence"
Sure as hell ain't a "targeted self defence"
David Bruchmannright, and "targeted" is everything that doesn't explode on their own feet.
Fahri Reza 🍉@davidho Even if they have to make demons out of teenagers, it's a price they are willing to pay.
Escarpment@davidho But they're not strictly opposed to "this" because if they were, they'd also care about this (in Sudan): https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/AP23119521787089-1684220570.jpg?fit=1170%2C780&quality=80
Or this in Haiti: https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2023/02/11/dance-19-bd7fa3a47ed56567b5a2a02e60f0386738ab1c06.jpg?s=1200&c=85&f=webp
@davidho "Whatever you call this" happens all over the world all the time, from human-caused conflicts and natural disasters. So what is it about *this specific instance* that has outraged these students so much?
Misuse Case@escarpment @davidho Lots of people have been cheering the Houthis for doing that blockade, ostensibly for the sake of Palestinians, but the blockade has been preventing aid shipments from reaching Darfur…so it’s even worse than you suggest, sometimes.
xs4me2Anti-genocide is what it is called actually, or anti total annihilation…
It needs to stop. A two-state solution now.
Eva Harasta@davidho It is Hamas that caused this, that horrifyingly profits from this, and that continues to cause it by repeatedly refusing Israel‘s offers for a ceasefire.
Mogleg@HarastaEva
You really need to read up on the Nakba and history of the US and Israel’s actions in the region. Decades of occupation, oppression, apartheid, land stealing and literal murder does not lend itself to peace. Israel is not the hero of this story.
@Mogleg @davidho You mentioning the word „apartheid“ makes me wonder if you know that there are around 2,080,000 Arab Israelis who live as integrated Israeli citizens in the state of Israel (21.1% of the overall population), and if you know that there are Arab Israelis among the victims of the October 7 attack (both among the people who were murdered and among the people who were taken hostage).
By these sentences, I do not justify or defend Israeli settlement policy in the West Bank.
The word „apartheid“ is a polemical marker when applied to Israel. As is „occupation“ when it is used to put the legitimacy of the state of Israel in question. (I cannot tell by your brief statement whether you mean this.)
The October 7 attack was murderous. It was the worst pogrom since 1945. And it happened in Israel.
I do not think anyone or any entity is a hero. I think looking for a hero, or for the heroic cause, is not helpful at all.
@HarastaEva
Then I’m sure everyone living there are treated the same under the same laws and are afforded the same privileges? There are no roads only certain people can use, no areas only certain people can inhabit, no people deemed second class? Israel is not an ethno-state for some people only?
You’ll note South Africa does not share your rosy opinion of the situation and I dare say they know a thing or two about apartheid.
@HarastaEva
You tell yourself whatever you need in order to ignore reality. Maybe one day you will open your eyes but today is not that day. I wish you luck 😊
Tim FordAre you going to protest against current settlement construction in Palestinian territories? Are you strenuously raising your voice against Netanyahu and Zionists terrorizing Palestinian families, forcing them from their homes, denying their land claims, systematically bulldozing and illegally building homes with low-paid Palestinian labour that arrives through literal locked gates and is kicked back out at sundown?
Morgan ⚧️@HarastaEva @davidho if you don't want to read up on the history of a conflict, that's fine. You don't have to have an opinion. You can just keep your mouth shut until you know more than 2% of what's happening, we can wait.
Hadley T. Canine (fox)@raphaelmorgan @HarastaEva Their profile says they're a theologian, so being unable to shut up when talking about things that never happened is kind of their whole deal.
@hadley @raphaelmorgan @HarastaEva
And she mentions she is Lutheran
Luther was an exceptional Anti-Jews
""...Luther expressed anti-Judaistic views, calling for the expulsion of Jews and the burning of synagogues. These works also targeted Roman Catholics, Anabaptists and nontrinitarian Christians. Based upon his teachings, despite the fact that Luther did not advocate the murdering of Jews, ... his rhetoric contributed to the development of antisemitism in Germany...
"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘@HarastaEva @davidho This is what bullies say about the women they beat to death. "It was her fault. She shouldn't have provoked me".
@HarastaEva @davidho
Oh, I wasn't aware history began on Oct. 7. I guess we'd better ignore literally anything that happened prior to that.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/14/israels-bombardment-of-gaza-continues-live
Kiloku - Secretário do Caos@HarastaEva @davidho
Israel only started talking about ceasefire after extreme external pressure, after they murdered tens of thousands of civilians, and even then their "offer" contradicts itself, they directly claim that they will attack regardless of whether its agreed to or not.
They attack areas they're fully aware have no Hamas activity.
Even clearly unarmed Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF because they just take pot-shots at anyone not in uniform they see.
JeanPDeliet@davidho demanding a stop to killings is quite opposite of pro-
Carrie ✌🏻🫀🤟🏻@davidho I fuckin hate the world we live in
Jaguarior Jones
Germán A. Quimbayo Ruiz@davidho spot on, Dr. David.
jamespthomas@davidho have heard no one say peace protests
Nicole ParsonsI call it a "Genocidal Dispossession of Lands" in search of the theft of a natural gas field.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Marine
Every member of an Indigenous tribe knows what happens next.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/09/amazon-rainforest-michel-temer-indigenous
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14747731.2024.2319440
Word of Mouth 🍄 
@davidho "War"... it's called being "anti-war".
grabe@davidho Fine with that. Not the same as pro Hamas.
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