David HoMay 4, 2024
I find it weird that newspapers characterize students as being “pro-Palestinian” as opposed to anti whatever you call this.
Show threadJustus

@davidho because they demonstrate that only one of the conflict sides should stop they actions and not the other... #BringThemHomeNow maybe

And this is just an possible explanation, not an excuse for an actions in this conflict

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Show threadOpticalNail 🇵🇸May 4, 2024
@AtJack @davidho You're talking like this would be a two-sided conflict.
Show threadJustusMay 4, 2024
@arh @davidho I would argue there are more than two sides to this conflict
Show threadOpticalNail 🇵🇸May 4, 2024
@AtJack @davidho You were talking earlier about one side and the other though?
Show threadJustusMay 4, 2024

@arh @davidho as two sides doing "actions". But this doesn't exclude that there are more sides. As it's a complex conflict, the solution is not that one of the many sides have to stop, but all... and solution is a compromise.

At least, in my humble opinion

Show threadOpticalNail 🇵🇸May 4, 2024

@AtJack

About the two sides that you're mentioning - I'm assuming they are, at their core, Israel and Hamas. They are not independent. They are not two different countries that both want control over the same thing.

In Israel's case, Hamas was born because of the Israeli occupation. (It was also aided by Israel/Netanyahu, but I'll ignore this for now). If Hamas stops, Israel will continue what it has done for the past 70+ years. If Israel stops, Hamas will cease to exist. Extremist groups have power only if the general population is desperate (I would love if you can find a counter example to this, I cannot right now).

Regarding the current conflict, all the ceasefire talks resolved to this: Hamas asks for a two-state solution, Israel refuses a two-state solution. There is a single side that can and has to give in here.

Show threadJustusMay 4, 2024

@arh sorry but if the situation was not so tragic, it would be the joke of the day. Hamas what's a two-state solution?

And just to make it clear, I'm not agreeing with what the IDF is doing (also in important specification, as they are massive criticism in Israel against what is happening in Gaza)

Show threadOpticalNail 🇵🇸May 4, 2024
@AtJack This is what the talks were about. I don't know if they would like a two state solution, officially they have also said that Israel must be destroyed, sure. But in the ceasefire talks from a few weeks ago they said that their condition (among others) is for Palestine to be recognized as a sovereign state. They have to compromise after all.
Show threadHeavenlyPossumMay 4, 2024

@davidho @AtJack

This is such smarmy bullshit