Jack Dorsey is furious that #Bluesky has attracted "very very common" people. He also doesn't like the idea of moderation tools facilitating the banning of racists.

All these tech billionaires are like a version of the movie Big, in which a pre-adolescent boy wakes up in the body of an aging Howard Hughes. Or Colonel Kurtz. Or a sardine.
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@Richard_Littler He doesn't seem to understand why thousands of years of human history resulted in the idea of a government, with laws etc - as if all the people who came before him in history were stupid.....
@exinith @Richard_Littler Dude’s a disgustingly wealthy libertarian, they are all like this

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I feel required to point out that "human history led to government" is deterministic. Sure, if you look back from present western world, you can see how government came to be. What you don't see is the points where a different choice could be made.

Tribal people such as the Sentinelese are just as much the end result of human history as the the famous Chinese bureaucracy.

That we appreciate government and not subsistence economy doesn't tell anything good about us.

@Richard_Littler Jack being Jack[ass], as always, I just read the book about how Twitter was founded, TL;DR: Jack Dorsey wanted it to be about him as an individual sharing how his perspective of the world it's the coolest one...
@Richard_Littler over time I got the impression, that the Fediverse vs Bluesky/Nostr/… is a deep cultural one. One is a social project with its cultural roots in social democratic societies (European, Canadian,…) while the other is an intrinsic US-American one focused on capitalization excluding any social norms

@Richard_Littler along these lines discussing already 20 years ago the cultural differences regarding privacy wrt to dignity and liberty

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=476041

@Richard_Littler Technology has advanced; we can certainly do with a more sophisticated and nuanced approach to content moderation. It’s like we’re stuck in the Usenet/IRC era of just /kick-ing and /ban-ning people at the slightest provocation with only one way to appeal. We can do better than the clumsy tools that pass for moderation today.
@Richard_Littler Jack: Protocols not platforms, free speech!
Assorted leftist trans folk and furries: <brandish ActivityPub spec>
Jack: No, not that one! (chased off at this point by a honking goose)
@m @Richard_Littler It's almost like it was planned in collaboration with Muskn't to cockblock #ActivityPub.

Conspiracy theory? Or just conspiracy? Just asking questions...
@Richard_Littler @luciedigitalni Some of these billionaires are like first year arts students — all opinions and certainty, no reflection or self-doubt or experience or learning from mistakes. (And yes, I'm describing myself at ~21. With horror but less money.)
@Richard_Littler oh noes, Dorsey is a very white and racist dumbass, who could've seen this coming?
@Richard_Littler it wasn't just a common crowd, it was the twitter mean girls crown creating hell as fast as they could. I tried to tell the team that they need a sociologist and a UI person working together, but they wanted to code merkle trees instead and everything is literally terrible.
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Organ grinding monkeys, both of them. Churning out bull, all the time. Why doesn't Jack go live on a mountain or something.

@Richard_Littler I'm starting to doubt my own reading comprehension. Did he really complain that BlueSky had too many plebs and not enough racists?

I presume he still owns a lot of shares in BlueSky, because that comes across as a pretty strong endorsement.

@rsynnott @Richard_Littler No no Jack, its pronounced *Bouquet*. Yes, I know its spelled *Bucket*. Its French.

This is like the third Keeping Up Appearances reference I've seen in a week, *what is happening?*

@tezoatlipoca @Richard_Littler Keeping Up Appearances references are always appropriate, for classism.
@Richard_Littler It’s almost as if some people can't stop themselves from using slurs and hate speech without moderation…

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"Common people" demanding content moderation.

Now if that's not a techbro billionaire complaint, I don't know what is

#RegulateSocialMedia

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This 2022 manifesto by #JackDorsey is instructive:

"a native internet protocol for social media ~ Jack Dorsey
December 14, 2022 ~ ABN"

"There’s a lot of conversation around the #TwitterFiles. Here’s my take, and thoughts on how to fix the issues identified.

I’ll start with the principles I’ve come to believe ... based on everything I’ve learned and experienced through my past actions as a Twitter co-founder and lead:

1) Social media must be resilient to corporate and government control.

2) Only the original author may remove content they produce.

3) Moderation is best implemented by algorithmic choice."

"The biggest mistake I made was continuing to invest in building tools for us to manage the public conversation, versus building tools for the people using Twitter to easily manage it for themselves.

This burdened the company with too much power, and opened us to significant outside pressure (such as advertising budgets)."

Here: https://americanbuddhist.net/2022/12/14/a-native-internet-protocol-for-social-media-jack-dorsey/

cc @thisismissem

a native internet protocol for social media ~ Jack Dorsey

[All of the below is Dorsey’s blog on how he thinks Twitter and social media should be operated. I have bolded some sections in addition to the few places he bolded. I completely agree with w…

American Buddhist Net

@FinchHaven @Richard_Littler @thisismissem
"Twitter, under the leadership of then chief executive Jack Dorsey, willfully ignored or had knowledge of the Saudi government’s campaign to ferret out critics but – because of financial considerations and efforts to keep close ties to the Saudi government, a top investor in the company – provided assistance to the kingdom."

Oh yeah, it was definitely advertising budgets that were the problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/04/twitter-saudi-arabia-human-rights-abuses?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Twitter accused of helping Saudi Arabia commit human rights abuses

Lawsuit says network discloses user data at request of Saudi authorities at much higher rate than for US, UK and Canada

The Guardian

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Jack Dawsey needs to read more history or even read within his field, even systems engineers understand the concept of "check & balances".

There is no social media platform not being misused to promote anti-democracy public sentiment.

The fact that fascists followed Dawsey from Twitter to Bluesky is the least surprising thing about this statement.

The fact that Dawsey wants apathy, silence, and inaction in the face of this malign influence campaign is also unsurprising.

@Richard_Littler How dare people ask social media team to do the basic moderation 101 which Twitter ditch for "free-speech" and TOTALLY not Elon being a fascist git.

Odd thing that Jack even was criticizing Elon for how reckless he was being but easy to point fingers at others rather than also looking at yourself and think "I'm not at all much different to him"
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@Richard_Littler Is nostr even usable? It runs so slowly even firefox complains.
@Richard_Littler @GossiTheDog I assume it doesn’t have quite the same connotations in the US as in the UK but I’m getting very Hyacinth Bucket vibes from him referring to people as ‘common’.
@Richard_Littler people with too much money not being a shitty human being challenge.

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Jack Dorsey is a Nazi. 100% Nazi.

@Richard_Littler yeah the archetype of the rich "free speech absolutist" douchebag. Tearing society apart with an aureola over their heads.
@hcs @Richard_Littler
you're saying he's a bit of a tit then?
@Richard_Littler I don't remember Dorsey complaining about the very concept of moderation when he was running Twitter. Is there some kind of communicable mental illness that spreads among billionaires?

@Richard_Littler They are not yet repeating the same mistakes. They are (possibly) trying to attract back all the people who fecked off when Xitter went to the dark side. *Then* they'll enshittify it back to where it was and those people will leave again. Probably. I may be proved wrong.

And I'm intrigued about the sardines... Are sardines bad? They certainly taste good. On toast, with tomato, and some herbs, maybe.

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I think he should have read what @nilaypatel said:
"The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation"
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation

Welcome to hell, Elon

Elon Musk now owns Twitter — and a huge number of impossible political problems around speech, content moderation, and trying to make money.

The Verge

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I've been curious how BlueSky would turn out because Dorsey is a Nazi, but one of the first hires was Paul Frazee. I can't find the posts now, but I think Frazee talked a lot about content moderation in P2P social networks.

@Richard_Littler jack "i failed to make a nazi bar twice" dorsey
@Richard_Littler The things he sees as mistakes are the things Twitter actually did right. Telling...
@Richard_Littler @drahardja all these men are the dumbest motherfuckers alive
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Once again reminding everyone that Twitter was known as "the hellsite" long before Elon took over.
@Richard_Littler Smells like narcissism or psychopathy to me.
@Richard_Littler I remember early on with Bluesky when people would come back to Twitter and rave about how good it was, and a bunch of us said yeah just wait until they reach a critical mass and have to deal with moderation, and lol here's Dorsey admitting they not only didn't have a plan they had an anti-plan and it failed.

@Richard_Littler this is one of those things where I know I’m reading it out of context, but I also know for 99% certain that there’s no context that could possibly justify it.

But honestly I feel that’s mostly bc it’s 100% unjustifiable to call people “common”, I mean seriously? How can it go downhill from there? Oh saying “well we started banning white supremacists bc people asked for that and I think that’s where we went wrong last time” uhhhh

@Richard_Littler I am so not surprised that this is his opinion.
He’s a supremacist, entitled, and hates everyone not him. He can never be satisfied because the people he relates to the most are the most common and the most ignorant, and he doesn’t like seeing his own reflection in them bc he thinks he’s better than them, when he’s worse.
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>People started seeing bluesky as a thing to run to, away from Twitter

bluesky only exists as an alternative to twitter for people who don't like musk. If Jack had wanted it to be something else then he should have added literally anything to make it different from twitter. He has only himself to blame.
@Richard_Littler I've seen a *lot* of white supremacists go through my place of work. They all look a lot like that prick