Completely mind boggling to me that we threw away 5 billion phones in 2022.

Some of those could have been repurposed: smartphones are hardly innovating any more. The most eco-friendly phone is the one you already have.

We need to publicly support communities like @postmarketOS who work on making these phones repurposable, and @gnome that work on making a polished mobile experience that serves people, not creepy corporations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63245150

E-waste: Five billion phones to be thrown away in 2022

Billions of phones will be hoarded in drawers and cupboards or thrown away rather than recycled, studies suggest.

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome We need a legal obligation to release of all relevant code and schematics for all chipsets that are no longer supported by the manufacturer.

I'm still on an old Pixel 2, running an "ancient"¹ GrapheneOS. I replaced the battery, but it works fine.

It's also a security risk, which i'm well aware of. This shouldn't be the case.

1. I hate how the Internet distorts our relationship to time, i should probably write something about that one of these days.

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome I realise that manufacturers will build multiple generations out of a design, and an unsupported model might share a lot with a "current" one. There might be a way to accommodate that, or we just decide that sorry, socially and environmentally, it's just more important to make it possible to keep using existing hardware.

But in any case, i can run Debian on a 15 year old laptop, why can't i run LineageOS or CalyxOS on a 15 year old "phone"?

@axx oh no, this made me realize 15 years ago was 2009

@axx
My DivestOS provides monthly updates to 12 year old phones.

Please consider replacing GrapheneOS in your Pixel 2 with it.

See https://divestos.org/pages/patch_levels and https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

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@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome @jimmac In September I upgraded from a 2016 iPhone only because I dropped it in a lake… (oops) Can barely tell the difference with the new one other than the removal of the home button. It doesn’t feel faster, and nothing was broken about the old one (other than I replaced the battery). It was even still getting updates!
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@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome We need to stop all the big tech semi forcing obsolescence on phones, computers etc, by updating OS in ways that prevent older devices working.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome numbers seem wrong. There are 8 billion people in the world. Seems wierd about 1 phone per person is thrown away each year.
@DrorBedrack @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome It's silly. The BBC article appears to expect that every phone not currently being used (in many cases for years) will suddenly be thrown away this year. Why?

@DrorBedrack @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome

Considering the number of stolen phones that probably get IMEI blocked, cannibalized for parts and discarded, I wouldn't discount it.

@DrorBedrack @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome there are many assholes out there that have to have the latest and greatest whatever. it's sickening that people think that gives them status rather than saving the planet.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome i think many old devices could be repurposed for specific simple uses, as long as file synchronization and local-first apps run on them. I reuse old android tablets as e.g. 1) recipe viewer in the kitchen, 2) jukebox in the living room, 3) picture frame (running slideshow).
The challenge for me is how to keep file libraries on old devices updated when synchronization apps like @nextcloud eventually drop support when the OS pass <0.5% use rate..
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome (that being said, kudos to nextcloud for maintaining support all the way down to that level!)
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@sticklandtim @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome
An alternative is ShiftPhone.
They are more techy to repair and their official page is only german.
BUT: it offers the mainframe too.
I somehow managed to scratch the fingerprint sensor on my fp3 and do not have an option to replace it easily. Luckily it was only that part

i still suggest for normal people to get an fp because its easy and good.
An classmate build together my old model, no help, fully disassembled with 1 error in ~8 minutes.

@sticklandtim @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome

I've been using a second-hand Fairphone3 on e/OS for years (https://e.foundation/e-os/). As a non-techie, it's great!

My personal favourite feature of the OS is that it automatically (with notification/permission) removes permissions from apps if you haven't used them in a while.

A phone that's on my side rather than trying to get me to click "ok" once and suck my data forever. I'm such a fan!

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@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome I've got a moto g8 power sitting in a drawer that works but got very laggy. I've got no time or skills to do anything with it but it would be great if there was an upcycling or repurposing organisation I could pass it to.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome Even LineageOS stops supporting models after some point, and the rude developers in the IRC channel openly mock you if you ask about trying to use older kit. We need a better system for maintaining the shims of code necessary to keep these systems compatible, but the maintenance overhead is non-trivial.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome I've been using my current phone since Christmas 2020, my previous phone went to someone else and is still used today

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome

We need a circular economy and ditto design. Same for the right to repair… the present way is simply not sustainable…

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome we need to stop the perpetually increasing resource consumption of apps and websites. 10 years ago 4GB of RAM was enough for a computer, now that amount is insufficient even for a phone.

@wolf480pl @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome and mastodon, pleroma etc are contributing to this, by motivating web browser devs to keep doing what they’re doing

(dishonourable mention to GNOME)

@lightning I suspect browsers are actually getting faster, it's just that websites get slower at a higher rate than browsers get faster
@wolf480pl modern browsers seem to consume more memory at rest
@lightning by at rest you mean only one tab ope.and.that tab is about:blank? If so, maybe they do, and I see how it could be a problem for usecases where you don't keep 50 tabs open at all times.
@wolf480pl @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome A lot of this is because of scripts and ads for tracking that are on every damn site nowadays.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome Although based on AOSP and thus not completely free of Google, I'd also like to do a shoutout to the people conributing to @LineageOS for continuing support for older phone models; and @divested for making more security-oriented versions of these. In our non-perfect world, they have so far probably saved more old phones from the landfill than their more idealistic brethren.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome I keep thinking old smart phones could be used as raspberry pi alternatives? Home servers? Is that possible?
@shemjm @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome probably not enough processing power, but there is the possibility to use them as smart screens or remote controls for example
@j_jack hmm I thought they would have more power than a pi tbh 🤔
@shemjm they might but I think it would depend on additional processes working in the background.
I had an old s5 galaxy for example. Loaded lineageOS onto the device and it was lightning fast. Following this I wanted google services and loaded google apps onto it and performance was drastically reduced along with battery life. Maybe it just depends on additional bloatware?
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Moto G Plays from 2021 got only a single update... to Android 11, from 2019.

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome lemme hit me up if they managed to run postmarketOS on a Nokia N90.

On a serious note, I find old user interfaces for mobile phones interesting, and I do support projects such as this to lengthen the lifespan of phones. Whenever it's a HTC HD2, a Cherry Mobile Flare, or a Samsung Galaxy S4, it's important to have an operating system for the people who continue to use the hardware.

But of course, first we need to stop companies to make rooting hard.

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome I fully agree! All this nonesense companies pretending to care about #climatechange. We need mobile Linux!

@thibaultamartin

Also user-repairable long-guaranteed phones like @WeAreFairphone make.

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome Also support companies such as @PINE64 and @purism for delivering hardware designed to run Linux and FLOSS firmware.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome this is not only in environmental tragedy it's also a long-term preservation tragedy, because I couldn't imagine how many of those phones were the last of their kind or were perfect examples good for a museum that instead went into a landfill...
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome Planned obsolescence is /the/ essential component of the modern economy.
@thibaultamartin If they weren't locked down with firmware and driver binary blobs, locked bootloaders and depending on Google Services that much it would be easier.
We need regulations that force vendors to open up code and devices for better maintainability. Especially at the end of the devices life.
More open source and standardisation will be a big step towards this.
@thibaultamartin https://divestos.org is also doing a fantastic job of harm reduction providing more secure LineageOS builds for a tonne of old devices
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@thibaultamartin @BigAngBlack @postmarketOS @gnome When people all over Mastodon were talking about getting the latest iPhone I was like, “what the fuck. This is why we’re in an environmental crisis.”

Not like I have a zero waste lifestyle but c’mon. You should use a phone or other device until it dies.

@MisuseCase @thibaultamartin @BigAngBlack @postmarketOS @gnome

I was feeling pretty good that my phone is an ancient #Pixel2XL, then I looked up how long ago that came out and... it was only 3.5 years ago.

*sigh* We've still got a long way to go.

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome Biggest problem by far is lack of care from SoC vendors.

Qualcomm and MediaTek are getting better and better, but it's still not enough. Not to mention the only reason support is getting better is the Linux community (Linaro, Collabora).

Nobody wants to use a device with kernel from the time it was introduced to the market. I have a Xiaomi Mi 9 Lite with SDM710 running kernel 4.9.337 next to me - which is why I cannot trust this device with any sensitive data.

IoT devices are of course way worse in this regard (i.e Roborock S7 or various security cameras sold TODAY with kernel 3.10...).

Same goes for other "smart" (actually dumb) devices. Friend of mine gifted me a smartwatch - Amazfit Nexo. Great on the surface - AMOLED screen, eSIM, ECG. Problem is that once again, it's running an ancient kernel... and sources aren't available anywhere!
Wanted to port AsteroidOS to it, but it's impossible without the source code.

What we really need is to twist arms (get it, ARMs, *badum tss*) of the manufacturers - SoCs and OEMs alike, to release damn sources for their devices (respect GPL!), share necessary schematics with developers and make sure their code makes it to upstream as much as possible.

We also need to focus on writing efficient code.
There's absolutely no f$%^ing reason why my main phone (PIxel 6 running GrapheneOS) should use 4GB of RAM doing nothing.

Interoperability of services we often use and open APIs would go a long way in ensuring people could use 3rd party clients to aggregate their accounts in one place.

This was normal ~15 years ago, and it's a real shame it changed. I miss being able to talk to all of my friends using a single IM software running natively on my machine (pidgin).

Long story short: Reject modernity, return to monke
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome people mocked me for keeping my IPhone 6 for 8 years, I have a refurbished IPhone 12 now, it’s probably saved me a small fortune sticking with the same phone and if it does what I need ot to do why change it?
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome and we should put some taxes and accountability on big companies like Apple and Samsung for creating disposable products

@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome

I worked for a company called ITRenew and we had an internal startup called Sesame. We trying to save carbon footprint by replacing the bios with Linuxboot and coreboot extending the life of hyper scale equipment. We need to do the same with phones. We are just creating waste