Eugen RochkoMy wife is looking forward to deleting her Instagram account once she can connect with the same folks from her Mastodon account. Being able to remain in touch with over 100M people who still use Meta products out of the comfort of an ad-free, privacy-friendly platform like Mastodon is a game changer.
ragrumI hope that an organization as massive as Meta adopting #ActivityPub will send a signal that pushes Tumblr and other platforms that have been considering it over the edge in doing the same. Perhaps even Bluesky would consider replacing or at least supplementing their custom protocol with the @w3c standard for interoperability.
Ω 🌍 Gus Posey@Gargron I hope that an organization as massive as Meta bursts into flames and sinks beneath the waves like a torpedoed battleship.
CoolBlenderKitten
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
OrbitalMartian
Matunos
Tadeo D'Oria@orbitalmartian @matunos @Gargron @w3c Even if Meta were not to join now, if the Fediverse and ActivityPub become more and more popular over time (which in general I think it's something we'd all prefer over the current state of the internet), I don't see a future in which large companies don't have our data
We all want open standards, but we need to understand that open standards also allow that sort of misuse if not accompanied with legislation, there's no way to both have our cake and eat it
Will Phoenix
Charlie Fish
volkris@fishcharlie I suspect that threads has issues ranging from performance through legality to deal with.
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Emelia 👸🏻@fishcharlie opt-in reports? Where'd you hear this one? (It's news to me)
@fishcharlie that isn't about reports, that's about users being opt-in to federate or not, which seems fair for a large instance where people may not understand what federating means and will need to be taught about it.
Also, ActivityPub doesn't mandate that all users must federate, nor all content must federate.
@thisismissem You're right. I didn't communicate very well in my original post. Just edited to make it more clear. (I hadn't actually viewed @mosseri's post myself before I took that screenshot to reply, which is why I said "reports”).
@fishcharlie @mosseri ah, okay! Because, yeah, "reports" made it sound like you thought they could opt out of moderation applying to them, which would be pretty inconceivable.
Also, this opens the door to Meta being able to defederate specific accounts which cause trouble on the fediverse, which arguably seems like it could be a wise move on their part.
@thisismissem Yeah as everybody knows I'm not a fan of Meta but from a privacy and safety perspective, opting in to federation is a very good move on their part and I hope other fediverse platforms will emulate it. Of course it's also very much in Meta's self-interest, they're not doing it that way out of the goodness of their hearts, but it's still a good choice.
@jdp23 I think the fediverse variant of that will be local-only posts?
@thisismissem yes (and making local-only posts the default). but we all know a certain someone doesn't like local-only posts so I hoped that if I framed it in terms of trying to match something Meta was doing right it might get a different response ... but no 😂 😂 😂 https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/111591877818794325
Spokeek@fishcharlie @Gargron @w3c @Mastodon They decide what to do, but hopefully they can still change their mind.
Michael Bauser
Millions 
John Carlos Baez
Dima Pasechnik 🇺🇦 🇳🇱@johncarlosbaez @Gargron tl;dr. You interop as long as it take to create enough connections between your walled garden and the fediverse. Then you shut the interop down, breaking all these connections, causing fedi users to migrate into your walled garden.
That's what Meta (and Google) did to XMPP.
Why? Because they are here to generate profit for their shareholders, and for nothing else.
Ténno Seremél’@dimpase You will only lose what you never actually had 
@dimpase Everyone who says what you don't like is a troll, surely 
@tennoseremel @johncarlosbaez @Gargron what you said is not what I don't like, what you said was meant to say I was telling lies. This is typical trolling.
@dimpase I only said what I said. The rest you did on your own.
In case it needs to be explained, I'm not saying that Facebook is suddenly going to be a good boy, but the people lost were not “here” in the first place. They already come and go, right now.
And XMPP never died. Masses didn't care, but it certainly exists and many people use it daily.
@tennoseremel @johncarlosbaez @Gargron
You forget that Mastodon is first of all, user-counts wise, is the place where came to escape Twitter.
Once Meta does the user heist, Mastodon will be left without e.g. news media, services (hey, how about e.g. a national police force of Finland?) will become unavailable for Mastodon users, etc., as these out of necessity, by nature of why they are here in the first place, will be out of here by now.
Why are you advocating for a Meta-run version of Twitter?
@dimpase You are mistaken. People were here before it was popular to leave Twitter.
As for news media and services, they are just a noise on a social media platform. For news there is RSS, for “national police force,” I'm not even sure I need their presence TBH.
@tennoseremel - "You forget that Mastodon is first of all, user-counts wise, is the place where came to escape Twitter" means that *most* people on Mastodon came to escape Twitter, not that the *first* people here came to escape Twitter. I don't know if it's true, but that's what @dimpase is claiming. "People were here before it was popular to leave Twitter" is certainly true, but it does not contradict that claim.
@johncarlosbaez If those people don't really care about being free from corporate abuse and run to that side at the first call, I'm not going to stop them. Big numbers are not a virtue by itself.
@johncarlosbaez Not to mention that these people are already here without Threads federating. Why would they leave, if Threads turn federation on and off later?
Those that will come after Threads fully federating might leave if they will turn it off, but, as I said, you will lose what you never really had – people who were not interested in the Fediverse, but only “because Facebook.” Although in this case they are more likely to join threads directly.
liberloebi 📖
Nagaram
Andreas Fornberg 👑@Nagaram @Gargron @w3c @tess Friendica is already doing that but it needs an existing user on Bluesky.
https://git.friendi.ca/friendica/friendica-addons/src/branch/develop/bluesky
Andreas Fornberg
Shoq 🌿
sudo βραχυκύκλωμα 
@Gargron Why a company such as Meta (or whatever) would want that interoperability, when they don't necessarily need it? That is a serious question yet to be answered. I'm not against any adaptation in the first place btw.
Darnell Clayton 
@Gargron @w3c I doubt #Bluesky will embrace #ActivityPub out of pride, & #Tumblr will probably join the #Fediverse in 2025 or 2026 (based on their current pace).
I do believe that we will probably see more government institutions, private organizations, political leaders & famous celebrities who are running #WordPress enter the Fediverse (via the plugin).
I know #Flipboard will enter the Fediverse soon, but I am not sure when (or if‽) #PostNews & #Flickr will join.
Eskuero
Andrea Grandi 🦕@Gargron I wish you didn’t have to deal with most of the comments I’m reading below your post 🙄
Derek Powazek 🐐@Gargron I wouldn't count on Tumblr doing much of anything.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/09/tumblr-to-run-on-skeleton-crew-as-parent-company-automattic-absorbs-staff/
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/09/tumblr-to-run-on-skeleton-crew-as-parent-company-automattic-absorbs-staff/
craftycat
Claudia Dias
@infosec_jcp 🐈🃏 done differently@claujours @Gargron @w3c @sebsauvage
If I may remiX this, for engagement contextualization, as a service, based on the current-ish info on users engagement 😶 as a meme as it relates to ActivityPub and it's potential load for server admins as a current worse case scenario, as I understand it. 🥴
Nick Bohle 🇪🇺@Gargron Please check @photomatt #StateOfTheWord 2023 Q&A. #Tumblr is next. Direct link to his answer on #ActivityPub regarding #WordPress and #Tumblr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S01uBD2pyQY&t=365s
Matt Mullenweg: State of the Word 2023 Q&A
Tim Chambers@NickBohle @Gargron @photomatt BTW, that was his answer to my email question to them - and I was very impressed with the detail and thoroughnesses of his response…
Hadi@w3c @Gargron instead of hoping Meta take over it, can we hope Mastodon's owner adopt a business model to support this solution better? For instance, they can attract content creators by letting users subscribe to their streams, but because the content creators can launch their own servers here, the margins that current solutions in this category take could dramatically decrease, therefore, they would prefer Mastodon over Patreon, etc.
@Gargron @hadilq but it needs a strong decision to move to a more robust technologies as payment services needs stronger consistency. I hope!
@CoolBlenderKitten @Gargron "Content creators" what?!
@CoolBlenderKitten @Gargron I didn't know that, and I still don't understand why, but sure! Here I was referring to the technology, business model, and its implementation. The marketing terms and phrases are beyond my point.
@hadilq @Gargron
Ok! Fair enough, sorry!
It's just that many people, especially here, don't like to be considered someone who just "feeds the machine", as I understand it. We are not anonymous "creators" to feed the ever hungry maw of commercial need, more to consume, more to see, more more more.
We are people who express ourselves through our art. There are probably many out there who enjoy the term, but here many find it offensive.
Don't know if I can explain it well, sorry if not 😀.
Ok! Fair enough, sorry!
It's just that many people, especially here, don't like to be considered someone who just "feeds the machine", as I understand it. We are not anonymous "creators" to feed the ever hungry maw of commercial need, more to consume, more to see, more more more.
We are people who express ourselves through our art. There are probably many out there who enjoy the term, but here many find it offensive.
Don't know if I can explain it well, sorry if not 😀.
Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦