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Dare ObasanjoWelcome to the cycle of generative AI making search worse.
Quora uses ChatGPT which hallucinates an answer to a nonsense question.
Google Search picks up this nonsense answer from Quora which has high page rank and treats it as an instant answer.
Viss@carnage4life glorious.
Bret Mogilefsky@carnage4life The internet is over.
the gripe ibis@mogul @carnage4life the internet was always like this, they just finally worked out scale
Eugene
Yaoi Box Balloon@thegarbagebird @mogul @carnage4life Agreed.
Professional users have always had to wade through absolute shit.
[moved] stereo griever
Book@selfisekai @carnage4life Bitch, you just ain't trying hard enough. Them eggs with run with the appropriate pressure applied.
Steven Toth@selfisekai @carnage4life is this what SEO looks like in 2023?
Oscar Baechler@selfisekai @carnage4life haha I checked too
Jens IMOUT@selfisekai @carnage4life it doesn’t matter if they fix one query because if you rephrase it slightly it still gives the wrong answer.
If you ask why eggs melt it’s too polite to correct you.
David Conrad
Amir E. Aharoni@selfisekai @carnage4life What happened to Quora is, in a way, more tragic than what happened to Twitter, which is ruined, but has replacements—Facebook, Mastodon, etc. Quora doesn't. As a general Q&A site, it was second to none. For some reason, in 2018, the company went all in on unnecessary ML experiments and other pointless features. They possibly improved some short-term metrics, but the parts that made the site good are hopelessly ruined. Now there is no good general Q&A site :(
Clarissa@clarissawam Thanks, I'll check it out. Does it allow languages other than English?
@aharoni No, sorry. It’s a US site and tho it has many international members, it’s still fairly US-centric. Full of knowledgeable nerds tho!
Ben LindsayAgreed, but reddit comes the closest. When I get annoying crap SEOing their way to the top of my search results, I always add "reddit" to the end of my query and usually get much more useful results. But I do miss the golden years of quora
🦨 Erika 
Gabrielle Klein-Mejia
RiskyThinking@selfisekai @carnage4life You must be using the wrong type of eggs. Easter eggs and Kinder eggs melt perfectly well:-)
Jason Miller@carnage4life "Yes, but can the internet be *melted*? Let's Google it!" 🤔🫠
Protofox Riley@Euthydemus @carnage4life cue the "is it a good idea to microwave this" theme!
Darryl Ramm@carnage4life Corporate autoerotic asphyxiation. AI is sexy, and Google might well kill themselves trying to have a good time with it…
Noah GibbsI am stealing the phrase "corporate autoerotic asphyxiation."
Brandon@carnage4life next rather than correcting the mistake, they'll be redefining the word "melt" 😂
JW@carnage4life I thought it was GPT 3 that was trained on Quora, which is full of crap. Google ranks Quora higher because Quora is paying Google. Basically, Quora is a root of all evils.
❓ucblockhead@carnage4life I think I've never seen a company work so long and effectively at making their own core product objectively worse than Google has.
Google could, today, make a massive improvement to their product simply by going back to their 2005 search.
April King@ucblockhead @carnage4life it would have to go back to 2005 content as well, 2005 Google would be absolutely murdered by SEO and AI nonsense.
Rairii@april @ucblockhead @carnage4life 2005 search, but with all the downranking improvements that Matt Cutts made in the interim
Stuck Here@april @ucblockhead @carnage4life
SEO nonsense reminds me of the aggregator problem search engines once had. You'd go looking for something and the top results were all pages directing you to the pages that hopefully had the answer you needed.
It's because of SEO that my important searches always have the search term "forum". Some forum board or old Reddit comment will have a good starting point for the rest of my search.
Can't wait until algorithms ding sites with too much SEO.
Todd Horowitz@ucblockhead @carnage4life "I think I've never seen a company work so long and effectively at making their own core product objectively worse than Google has."
Twitter would like you to hold their beer.
@toddhorowitz @carnage4life Twitter has only been in self-own mode for a year and a half. What's impressive about Google is that it's been sabotaging it's core product for decades.
@ucblockhead @carnage4life Fair, though Twitter's enshittification precedes the Musk takeover by many years.
Dr. Juande Santander-Vela@carnage4life this might actually be good for internet netizens… if they realize that nothing on the internet (or any other media) can be taken at face value…
@juandesant @carnage4life nah we’ll just throw out our eggs because we think they're broken
Krupo@juandesant @carnage4life people say to me, "but then people will lose trust in what we claim to be an authoritative source."
Me: "yes, and?"
@krupo @carnage4life I agree that many “authoritative sources” have actually made a very bad use of their position, but not being able to rely on such concept means that every time you have to start from a position of distrust… and that is a very difficult position to start from every single time.
@juandesant @carnage4life yes I recognize the slippery slope that entails.
My nuanced position is to ask yourself: is the trusted source delivering well sourced and reasonable information, or are there red flags telling me to be on alert?
As it stands the internet is so broken I sometimes call my boss if I don't think a message looks legit.
AB@carnage4life somehow, when human pranksters supply bullshit answers on Quora, google is immune to that, but falls every time for ChatGPT prank? That line of reasoning is a good proof that, indeed, we need AI to come and sort things out in this messed up society.
I am Jack's Lost 404I'm interested in how many iterations it will take for the bullshit machine (chatgpt) to ingest its own product before the output is just gray entropy goop.
richardwild@float13 @carnage4life Exactly! Timothy Shoup predicted that 99% to 99.9% of content online might be AI generated by 2025 to 2030, if that turned out correct, that would imply the LLMs were endlessly eating and regurgitating their own output. Nothing novel would ever be produced. However, I suspect that last point would be the thing that makes people rebel and prevent this from ever coming to pass.
Veirling | #MMIWG #LandBack@carnage4life I mean wait until they diagnose your illness. It's here and I'm not fvcking joking. Let's steal some random sh1t off the interwebs and run it through some dogsh1t statistical analysis. What could go wrong? 🙃
@veirling @carnage4life I recently heard a talk where the CTO of a company excitedly related a story about how generative AI diagnosed some kid's illness
tom4okstate@carnage4life the Internet will connect us they said. We'll share knowledge they said. It'll be democratizing they said.
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💉*9 Roger@carnage4life is this what the singularity looks like?
@carnage4life they automated the Citogenesis XKCD comic
Maurizio@carnage4life I wish people would stop calling it "AI", because it's not.
Katie@carnage4life @oldschoolpixels yeah, but if they called it what it really was, Statistics, they’d sound too boring to invest in! That’s todays business model, don’t do something that’s worth paying for, you dupe a load of money out of some investors.
KT controls miniature worlds
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Daragh Ó Briain@carnage4life @why0hy my thoughts on all this from January https://castlebridge.ie/insights/llms-and-the-enshittening-of-knowledge/
Joe@DaraghOBrien @carnage4life
Great stuff! Two observations:
1. The disclaimer in the opening para is not needed
2. The article reminded me of a summary of a CoE conference I wrote which asked “ How can our society evolve, if tomorrow is governed by data from yesterday?
https://rm.coe.int/conference-report-28march-final-1-/168093bc52
Great stuff! Two observations:
1. The disclaimer in the opening para is not needed
2. The article reminded me of a summary of a CoE conference I wrote which asked “ How can our society evolve, if tomorrow is governed by data from yesterday?
https://rm.coe.int/conference-report-28march-final-1-/168093bc52
@why0hy @carnage4life The disclaimer was more a comment on the booster bandwagonning that was happening.
🇵🇸Murray O'Caht🇵🇸@carnage4life you can melt an egg if you freeze it first
Timothy Wolodzko
Pappy@carnage4life The Internet is healing!!
Blue 
@carnage4life so it turns out we're in the brave new world future where there's so much information but it's all nonsense.