Taz WakeI 100% support this and I am pretty far removed from Gen Z.
It wouldn't even cross my mind to apply for a job if they don't tell me what they are prepared to pay in advance. I wouldn't even take the call.
The source for this was on Twitter : https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1618658691938656256
and it is full of the inevitable responses from people who are simply wrong, saying "It undermines my ability to negotiate" or "how dare they feel so entitled they think they don't have to go to interviews for jobs that turn out to be woefully underpaid."
I will never agree with either of those positions.
Johnny Wheels 
@tazwake I know a few states now require salary range to be included in job postings. Transparency there is a good thing, IMO.
@JohnWhelan 100% agreed.
DeusAs a millennial once told me, “You Gen Xers set the tone and made many things the norm for us so we didn’t have to go through what you went through.” I’m hopeful (in fact, sure) they too will make it better for Gen [Whatever the next will be called].
gunstick@tazwake these people also go to buy a car and are only interested in the price just becore signing the contract. 🤣
@gunstick What I really dont get is when I sell services to these people, they are pretty aggressive at demanding to know how much it will cost before they even consider engaging me... 😀
Phil Hagen@tazwake yep. 100% agree publish the range and be sure it’s reasonsble
@PhilHagen exactly, anything else is really the hiring company hoping they can trick someone into working for less than average while pretending it allows "more negotiation."
Kevin Pagano - Stark 4N6 @tazwake one of the first things I ask a potential employer is pay, I've gone through interview processes before and get to the finish line only to shoot it down because it was sadly underpaid for the responsibilities
@stark4n6 This is a super valid point.
Applications take time, interviews take time. If the hiring company and the candidate have wildly different expectations of salary, everyone has wasted time. Its a crazy thing.
@tazwake I don't want to be on either end of it (interviewer or interviewee) and have it fall apart afterwards because of pay being too low
MizzBassie@tazwake Why would you apply for a job if you don’t know what it pays?
@MizzBassie Exactly.
G66@tazwake I’m on the early end of Millennial/Tail end of GenX and I wont apply for a job if the pay isn’t listed.
Kevin Karhan 
@tazwake Personally, I reject any job offers if they refuse to tell me the guaranteed minimum fixed salary or wage for said position.
pfriedma@tazwake
Not genz.
Once I asked a recruiter (AMZN) about salary range and they "gave me some advice" that it's an "uncouth and unprofessional question" to which I gave them some advice that shaming discussion about salary is a conscious choice that contributes to the inequity of esp. underrepresented groups and is a form of oppression and that I would not be continuing the interview.
Not that I was really surprised given the company, but it still kinda caught me off guard
Wow. That is crazy. I'd heard they were... erm.. "strange" at recruitment but that's wild.
I am impressed by your response though!
@tazwake
What was cringe was how ... Sincere he was...like trying to convince me he was helping me out 🤢
What was cringe was how ... Sincere he was...like trying to convince me he was helping me out 🤢
regphunt@tazwake Then there are the classic hits "what kind of pay are you looking for?" or "what did you make at your last job?"
Adam Davis@regphunt @tazwake
In the past, I refused to answer the "what are you making now" question. I knew I was underpaid and I wasn't looking to remain that way. Beside that, compensation is the primary way companies show they value their employees. Good companies should be proud to share their salary ranges.
In the past, I refused to answer the "what are you making now" question. I knew I was underpaid and I wasn't looking to remain that way. Beside that, compensation is the primary way companies show they value their employees. Good companies should be proud to share their salary ranges.
Definitely. I am not a fan of "what are you making now" - that shouldn't matter.
The hiring company has an idea what it is willing to pay. It probably has a corporate pay range or at the very least a budget holder has approved a budget for the role.
They KNOW what they want to pay and what they can pay.
Trying to work out if they can screw over the hire is a terrible start to a working relationship.
@regphunt Yeah, definitely.
I think everyone should just lie. Double or triple your old salary at least.
Security Sledgehammer@tazwake Maybe it's a product of my Millenialism, but I will apply for a job without a salary posted. However, the very first question I will ask the recruiter is "what is the salary range?" and I am out the proverbial door if they give me a wishy washy answer.
@SecSledge Yeah, I just think it's down to how much time and effort - on both sides - is required if the salary ranges are out of sync.
Even with phone/video interviews, there is time making the application and time for the other side to sift through candidates and block out the calendar for the interview.
I've sat in multiple interviews - for US candidates - where it got to the third round before salaries were discussed and it turned out the candidates were already on 2-3x what was on offer and it ended there. 6-12 hours time, just wasted because they wouldn't be upfront about possible salaries.
CyberSecJames@tazwake I have no problem with this either. Not being willing to list at least a range is shady, and tells me bad things about the corporate culture.
Hasufin@tazwake I have also learned to blatantly, shamelessly lie about my current salary. In an ideal world I would tell a company to piss off for even asking, but that will get me nowhere. So, I will give them an answer which benefits me.
Emmeline Dare@tazwake I'll take the interview, but if they're not open about salary during the first conversation, then I walk.
@strangetree Thats a fair response, but just think - at that point both you *and* the hiring company have invested time in something that could have totally been avoided if they told you before you applied.
@tazwake Oh, absolutely. It should be listed upfront with every job listing.
Doug Metz@tazwake not sure if those that won’t disclose pay up front or the name of the company is more frustrating. Either way it’s a non starter.
David Nelson@tazwake I take it to mean they aren’t going to be competitive but they don’t want you to know until you’re emotionally invested in the position.
Cheryl A@tazwake Also not a fan of tell me what you make, I'll tell you what we are offering. Why would I switch jobs for a lateral? Let's not waste anyone's time.
Meredith@tazwake isn’t this the right way forward, my friend?
@micro_meredith IMHO its the only way.
Companies who refuse to publish salaries should be shunned.
@tazwake if you’re not going to be transparent as a company, I don’t need to work for you. Bottom line
@tazwake my trajectory lies directly toward DFIR and I’m thrilled that we’ve had the pleasure of interacting since a whole birdsite ago
@micro_meredith Glad to hear it. DFIR is by far the best part of security 😀
@tazwake this I shall learn 😃
Mike Johnson@tazwake "I'd like to schedule an interview for the job opening. No, I won't tell you my qualifications."
@mxjohnson I like that.
Bryson@tazwake gen Z’s are dead right here.
It’s a business transaction. “I’d like to buy x.” “How much for?” “It’s a secret.”
Ludicrous.
Mark Burge
Fluffy Destroyer of Worlds@tazwake @hacks4pancakes Gen X and hard same, honestly
Polychrome 
@tazwake that's not a gen thing, that's a smart thing 
The Doctor@tazwake One too many "get the job but it's an unpaid internship."
Zack D@tazwake indeed, I have emailed and got an answer but it was low and thus didn't apply.
n3wjack@tazwake I see recruiters mention the salary more and more, which is a good thing imo. It gives you an idea if it's worth soliciting depending on your current wage. It also gives you an idea if it's time to ask for a raise at your current employer. 😂
⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe@tazwake Here in the UK companies usually advertise at least a salary range. It's sometimes bullshit, tho.
Don't think I'd willingly choose to go to interview unless I had a vague idea of what the job paid. What would be the point? (I'm about two years shy of being a boomer.)
@fishidwardrobe Yeah - the ranges can be nonsense, but I still prefer that to them keeping it a secret.
It amazes me that companies still try to pretend it makes sense to keep it a secret so everyone wastes their time. It's even stranger that people believe this is anything other than companies trying to get away with paying less..
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Nic Dafis
Jessica Stewart@tazwake exactly. How pathetic that this makes out it as some sort of failing.
Joanna Holman@tazwake I would be very skeptical of applying for a job that didn’t list salary too. My current job is tricky to slide out unnoticed for a few hours to interview (even when working from home) and there’s only so many times I can make my disappearance sound like a medical appointment so I don’t want to waste one of those times on a job that turns out is paying $10,000 too low
Kovarchi@tazwake if I can't afford to live on what you are going to pay I won't be able to do the job properly and it will be a waste of both of our times
securityskeptic 
@tazwake Salary. Leave. Healthcare. If you don't know all of these you can't compare offers.
Brant@tazwake WA state just passed a requirement for salary posting on listings and I had a laugh with a lady I was interviewing with. For mid-level hiring folks it must make things easier.