Paving tiles are so much easier to repair, pull & replace for utility work & #tree root care, and rearrange for new road layouts than #asphalt or #concrete.

Tiles are cheaper, can embed rather than spew #carbon, and provide drainage.

Photo next to #transit hub in #Lund #Sweden. White crosswalk pavers in arc of gray pavers. Smooth enough for #disability & #bike use. Perfect for #transit speed.

And pavers can hold the weight of a #bus.

#PavingTiles for the win!

#infrastructure #engineering

@CathyTuttle Plus they're immeasurably more charming and whimsical.
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In really cold climates with freeze-thaw cycles, water may get under them and when freezes causes them to heave. It heaves asphalt too, and the spring crack filling crews come out.
Asphalt is recyclable and cheaper than using new material. They examine it and determine if they have to add any new material to it. I do not know the energy costs for heating the asphalt versus making new paving stones/bricks and whether sub-layers have to be different.
@jamesbicycle @CathyTuttle There are lots of places that don’t get cold enough to worry about frost heaves. I’m also skeptic at that they would be worse with pavers. Pavers are quick to replace, and because they are many small fragments, won’t crack in the same way asphalt does.
@dx @jamesbicycle @CathyTuttle I think a key thing is “does cold weather fuck it up” and “does getting fucked up mess with folks who roll or wheel around or are otherwise disabled?”

@jeffbyrnes @dx @jamesbicycle Sweden is cold, clears snow effectively, and takes good care of the mobility of its people with disabilities.

Many central cities in Sweden are cobbled. I don't know specs of how 🇸🇪 snow clearing works but it worked quite well all thru the winter I lived there.

Swedish friends who worked in disability mobility told me these cobbled streets worked well for walking & rolling.

US cities may have a different standard of bumpy cobble that might not be as forgiving.

@CathyTuttle @dx @jamesbicycle great to hear! I live in Somerville, MA, USA, & one of our major gathering/commerce areas used a lot of brick when it was last rebuilt. That brick is not great, esp. for folks who roll primarily.

I’d love to advocate for something attractive like pavers that’s not anti-disability, so this is super helpful!

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Story about a city that doesn't deal w snow, but still relevant. #Pontevedra, an entirely car-free city center in western #Spain, is mostly streets made of stone and concrete pavers.

I walked around the center (population ~40,000) with chief city planner who says visitors often ask him why the city has so many people using #wheelchairs.

“We have the same numbers of #disabled people as any city,” he says. “But here ALL people can easily use our public streets.”

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Don't know re USA. The "dry cold" part of Canad. It was close to freezing 2-3 weeks ago then 10 days below -30°C, warmed up to -15 today. The snow sticks to the roads and walkways unless immediately removed. There are only a few places with bricks. Graders might remove some of them.

This is a grader in my city: http://i.cbc.ca/1.3336867.1448480290!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/16x9_1180/snow-grader.JPG

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Snow removal. And where the snow gets removed from first:
Typical: car routes for work commuting for proportionately more men
Equity: walking routes for children and proportionately more women who're taking the kids to school

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I very much doubt that tiles are cheaper than asphalt. They're horrible for biking and snow removal is more difficult.

@indri @CathyTuttle ashphalt is basically oil. It has slag, a waste material from steel making as the pebbles. I think there are better options. Using stone made the Appian Way last 2000 years.

The only fossil fuel based material I like for roads is recycled plastic to get rid of it as that is a very long-lasting material - far better than using new oil.

We have to end the use of fossil fuels and different roading is part of that

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Finding different materials instead of asphalt is a different discussion, but this kind of tiles isn't the solution either. It's awful to drive over with any vehicle, can get slippery when wet, and its very noisy. And the high quality granite has to come from somewhere too.

@indri @CathyTuttle But just "having to come from somewhere, too" is not the problem with asphalt roads.

Continuing to use oil as roading surfaces perpetuates the use of fossil fuels, endangering our climate.

And stone lasts 2,000 years or more. (The Appian Way) So it is very sustainable despite coming from somewhere. At least it remains pretty much forever somewhere else.

@CathyTuttle asking out of curiosity, not skepticism… wouldn’t this be more difficult in snow? You note they’re smooth enough for handicapped and bike access. What is the level of comfort for those users compared to a flat asphalt? Georgetown DC has a couple of cobble stone (not paver tiles) streets left, and they are certainly not easily biked on.

@DistrictDave01 Pavers in Lund are bumpy on bikes, but they are well installed and not as bad as many cracked and potholed PDX streets. The whole center ring of Lund is cobbled. In this shared environment going fast by bike isn't a good option anyway. Asphalt paths led to the center.

Swedish friends who work in disability access say these are good streets.

Don't know specifics of snow plows, but I lived here through a winter. Snow wasn't a problem. Maybe plows set at a higher scrape level?

@CathyTuttle ALso, Saudi Arabia has a very smooth large tile used outdoors - presumably to help cooling - that could be suitable too - not just little lumpy cobblestones

@SusanKraemer I keep watching a friend's Instagram feed of roller skating through the Mediterranean and Eastern Europe. Mesmerizing, beautiful skating, much on streets paved with smooth stone, marble blocks, small pavers.

The USA reliance solely on roads that are concrete or asphalt, or asphalt or concrete, or maybe, if we're being extra bold, a little stone curb, is limiting, unimaginative, and insensitive to place or need. We can do so much better!

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@CathyTuttle Agree on asphalt roads! What lovely skating videos on these much more attractive roads and bridge surfaces, really delightful !

@CathyTuttle I don't understand how this would work with snow plows. The plows already rip up asphalt roads badly enough—I'm pretty sure this is why the uphill lane on local roads has more damage than the downhill lane—and with this it seems they'd just be chucking pavers left and right.

What kind of winter precip do they get there? Is it the icy/wet snow kind or really dry stuff? Here it's largely the former. I can imagine just *brushing* the latter off the road.

@CathyTuttle I live in Lund and while the cobbled streets of this town might seem picturesque and quaint, they are relly awfull when it comes to mobility. These streets are often uneven and really bad to bike on. I bike to work every day so I have lots of experience and inights. Bussrides are really shakey and at times unsafe du to the uneveness of these ”picturesque” streets. So I don’t agree with the cobbled/stones are ”better” opinion. 😇