AsekoNov 25, 2022
Taylor Lorenz
“Apple and Google need to seriously start exploring booting Twitter off the App Store,” said @esqueer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/24/twitter-musk-reverses-suspensions/ #tech #technology #twitter #elon #twittermigration #twittermigrate
‘Opening the gates of hell’: Musk says he will revive banned accounts

A Twitter poll posted by Elon Musk shows 72 percent support granting “general amnesty” to accounts suspended for harassment, abuse and misinformation.

The Washington Post
Nov 24, 2022 at 10:19pmMastodon for iOS
Show threadRairiiNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer we can argue all day about how bad it is that this is possible, though :/
Show threadBrian HoughNov 24, 2022
@Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer I don’t mind that they moderate their own app stores. I think that’s reasonable; the problem is on iOS, where side loading isn’t a thing and it’s App Store or bust for 99% of the user base.
Show threadRairiiNov 24, 2022
@brianhough @taylorlorenz @esqueer the fact that the Play Store uses APIs that alternative app stores can't use (without root/etc) is also a problem
Show threadDianne HackbornNov 24, 2022

@Rairii @brianhough @taylorlorenz @esqueer

Which APIs? I think the only one of significance is being able to directly install an app without going through the platform's confirmation dialog. Any pre-installed store can get this permission, it just isn't available to things not pre-installed, which seems reasonable?

We did improve this recently where non-pre-installed apps can now install updates to apps they had previous installed without confirmation.

Show threadRairiiNov 27, 2022
@hackbod @brianhough @taylorlorenz @esqueer Directly installing an app was what I was thinking of.
Show threadDianne HackbornNov 27, 2022

@Rairii

Ah okay so you'd like an AOSP feature where you could say "allow this app to silently install other apps without me knowing about it"?

(Just checking, that is something I personally would be super uncomfortable with having. It's better now with runtime permissions, at the very least this could not be used for installing pre-Marshmallow apps where permissions are shown to the user at install time.)

Show threadRairiiNov 27, 2022
@hackbod if multiple taps need to be done in third-party app stores then it should be the same for the play store, IMO.
Show threadDianne HackbornNov 27, 2022

@Rairii

This isn't at all about Play Store. It is that privileged pre-installed apps can get additional permissions, since they are part of the device and vetted by the OEM. (Note that an app you side-load is by definition completely untrusted.)

So any pre-installed store can be trusted in this way: Play Store, Samsung App Store, Amazon App Store, etc.

Show threadRant NinjaNov 24, 2022

@brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer so now Twitter's content moderation policy is actually set by Apple?

Lol.

Show threadallybfrazierNov 24, 2022
@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer no, it means most companies have the ability to choose what they do and don’t want to platform. Lol.
Show threadMorningDewNov 24, 2022

@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer

you take place in my car on my policy. No Nazis allowed in my car.

Show threadBrian HoughNov 24, 2022
@MorningDew @rant @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer Bingo. Apple and Google shouldn’t be forced to use their marketplace to host or promote a social network that caters to nazis.
Show threadRant NinjaNov 24, 2022

@brianhough @MorningDew @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer did I somehow stutter, everyone is responding with the obvious?

I was merely saying that if Twitter abandons its own moderation then it will have to adapt to Apple's content policies ergo Apple sets Twitter's content moderation policy.

I wasn't commenting on whether this is good or bad just implying that Twitter will be unwilling to lose access to iOS devices.

Show threadBrian HoughNov 24, 2022
@rant @MorningDew @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer yes, you were unclear in your intent. Thank you for clarifying.
Show threadRant NinjaNov 24, 2022

@brianhough @MorningDew @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer Glad that's cleared up!

I was genuinely amused by this revelation. I hadn't considered that Google & Apple would serve as a backstop to the Musk's "free speech" pandemonium but it seems obvious in hindsight.

Twitter could not survive without being in those stores.

Show threadSraik DoubterNov 27, 2022
@rant @brianhough @MorningDew @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer I agree, it is remarkable.
Show threadKynycNov 26, 2022
@rant @brianhough @MorningDew @taylorlorenz @esqueer @Rairii Twitter will always have the browser. I wish all these crappy hot takes would emphasize that being relegated to a web app is NOT losing access to IOS devices.
Show threadRant NinjaNov 26, 2022

@kynyc It'll be less than ideal, people's preference for native apps is a given but with browser notifications and a dedicated effort to make it highly functional.

You're absolutely right, thanks for the correction.

Show threadJay RodgersNov 24, 2022
@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer always has been :)
Show threadRavi Yee JoshiNov 24, 2022

@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer

I mean not really but also kinda?

But why are we shocked when nobody/no entity wants to be liable or responsible for user generated content that has no (or unreasonably) few consequences or responsibilities?

Why should they develop the tech/marketplace and whatever credibility/trust with their users only to have some brat tweet abusive garbage? Who’s surprised here and why?

Show threadEl SchachNov 25, 2022
@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer Platforming Nazis is bad. And bad for business.
Show threadRant NinjaNov 26, 2022

@smashcutt yep. But you know what scares me more than unabashed Nazis who are so blatantly obvious and sometimes just trolling for attention.

Alex Jones and his type. Con man liars scare me far more than the pathetic movement of unabashed Nazis.

Put another way, I don't want to hear Nazi propaganda but if your forthright in your bigotry then we can intervene.

The liars and manipulators. The purveyors of misinformation. They are a far greater danger, they claim innocence while doing evil.

Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer if you have apple that authority, they would just ban twitter and reddit for allowing NSFW content. putting apple at the head of conent moderation is bad. also apple isnt exactly non consertive eaither, it blocked queer content when using parental controls at one point
Show threadRant NinjaNov 26, 2022
@skymtf Oh, don't I know it. One of my lesser but still considered reasons for not having an iphone is having to commit to their worldview on what is and isn't acceptable.
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant it's like centeralized social media was a mistake and centralized appstores were a mistake.
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant also I doubt this will happen given Truth Social and Parlor are both on the appstore. Generally It is always conflicting cause like while I do think some of these sites need to crash and burn, the idea of having corprate gate keepers to censor what they don't like online is a liberal view, and not a leftist one, like I also do worry given mastodon is not immune to the appstore, it one of the few points users cannot directly control
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant I considered switching to android, but kept running into the issue where sandboxing is not exactly great, and apps like Facebook user lesser documented functions to listen to microphone and camera, or look at background apps even if you do not grant permissions for it
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant even Google has admitted to using accsesablity functions on android to look at things users did not give it permissions for
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant iOS is more limited, but also lacks these random apis that make this possible meaning that when I say no it really does mean no to these apps
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer in reality without sideloading giving apple keys to content moderation would just result in porn being banned. Really should consult with sex workers like ashley lake who is all too familiar with apples anti porn polices.
Show threadRairiiNov 26, 2022
@skymtf @rant @brianhough @taylorlorenz @esqueer didn't porn get banned on tumblr because apple told them to under threat of app removal?
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@Rairii @rant @brianhough @taylorlorenz @esqueer apple did remove it until it banned porn, but only after the media dropped a moral panic article on Tunlvr, let’s just say Exdus cry really made a media storm and threatened FOSTA lawsuits. Generally tumblr was smeared and pushed until they banned porn
Show threadBrian HoughNov 26, 2022
@Rairii @skymtf @rant @taylorlorenz @esqueer to be fair, Tumblr themselves also blame credit card processing companies - this isn’t just an Apple problem https://www.pcmag.com/news/tumblr-explains-why-it-still-bans-porn-blame-credit-card-companies-apple
Tumblr Explains Why It Still Bans Porn: Blame Credit Card Companies, Apple

The CEO of Automattic, which acquired Tumblr from Verizon in 2019, says the 'casually porn-friendly era' from over a decade ago is no longer possible in today's tech environment.

PCMag
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Nov 26, 2022
@brianhough @Rairii @rant @taylorlorenz @esqueer apple tried to force discord to ban porn. The comprimise was made where nsfw could be enabled but with toggle on the desktop app, the the toggle couldn’t be referenced in the app. So when your encounter it it says “NSFW content is blocked on iOS” with zero context. But you can enabled by clicking the enable nsfw content on iOS toggle on the desktop app
Show threadSraik DoubterNov 27, 2022
@rant @brianhough @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer It is if they don't want to be party to litigation related to hate speech run wild. Or just generally associated with a toxic brand. It will just be a business decision. If Elon wants go not be subject to their rule, he needs to develop his own tech (which I believe he has floated).
Show threadNick Chan Nov 25, 2022
@Rairii @taylorlorenz @brianhough @esqueer Sideloading is a thing on iOS, using the same mechanism developers use to test their apps on a real device without submitting it to the App Store. Tools that let you do so without Xcode exists.
Show threadBrian HoughNov 25, 2022
@riscv64 @Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer I’m aware, but it’s not an officially sanctioned use case and really not an option for 99% of the user base.
Show threadSerqetryNov 24, 2022
@Rairii @taylorlorenz @esqueer It's not bad at all. Apple *should* remove Twitter from the app store. Nothing is stopping people from using Twitter in a iOS browser if they really want to keep using Tony Stank's hellscape.
Show threadFrank DescalcoNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer get #WhiteSupremacy trending on Twitter. Elon wouldn’t like that
Show threadAndy OdomNov 24, 2022
@MallyNoShow @taylorlorenz @esqueer He wouldn’t? What makes you think that, sincerely?
Show threadFrank DescalcoNov 25, 2022
@AndyOdom7 @taylorlorenz @esqueer Fair point. Maybe his advertisers might not enjoy it as much as he would.
Show threadunnamedNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer but isn't that part of the problem that we have one entity that can decide or be swayed/pressured into deciding what is allowed and isn't? And where do we draw the line? Saying X app should be banned from the app store misses the point entirely because the choice is not up to the user.
Show threadRoobNov 25, 2022
@fogoctopus @taylorlorenz @esqueer meanwhile apps are rejected all the time!
Show threadCapybroNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz they would need to boot off mastodon / fediverse apps for the same reasons then
Show threadkaosineNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer I honestly am starting to side with them.....twitter is getting too toxic and becoming truth social 2.0(even without orange man). It's just getting sad at this point, and I wish I could fully abandon it...
Show threadRachel MariaNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer Should the EU pull the plug 🔌 because of hate speech Apple & Google will have to. They should now, but they probably will not.
Show threadConductorNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer Have Apple and Google been pressed for comment on this? At this point, I very much want to hear from them where the line is.
Show threadJess Torley (Wilson) [she/her]Nov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer Are Washington Post and other mainstream media still on Twitter? (I don't know as I have deactivated my twitter account.) If so, don't you and others need to ask if the media should be part of this platform, given what Musk is doing?
Show threadOld Man MikeNov 24, 2022
@esqueer @taylorlorenz they should absolutely kick Twitter off their stores. Musk has destroyed the service already, this releasing of the vile xenophobes is a performative closing act as a once great communication tool is eliminated, much to the cheers and joy of Peter Theil, MBS, Putin et al. Reading some comments here about how hard it is to leave I can empathize, but the platform now is nothing but “Musk Kampf”.
Show threadScipio AmericanusNov 24, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer meh, just let it die on its own.
Show threadclimate voter/radical oldieNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer True. However, I would like to think millions more will come over here. Lots of people still saying they will ride the ship down but I think the right wingers will keep it afloat.
Show threadSpace KarenNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer
The evolution of Elon
Show threadElizabethNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer
I wasn’t sure I agreed with this, but Musk is going to give “amnesty” to all suspended accounts. I think that’s death knell for any kind of civil discourse.
Show threadTed_CvilleNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer 72% of what?! Some random poll populated mostly by trolls and bots?
Show threadakeboshiNov 25, 2022

@taylorlorenz @esqueer

Why do you like censorship so much? De "wise" tienes muy poco, siendo honesto...

Show threadjrgNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer Why? Having an ass for an owner isn’t reason enough.
Show threaddustyworm  Nov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer
At this point, I feel Mr. Musk is doing all he can to blow up the bird. #sad
Show threadDidiQNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer “People who engaged in direct targeted harassment can come back and engage in doxing, targeted harassment, vicious bullying, calls for violence, celebration of violence. I can’t even begin to state how dangerous this will be.” TWITTER IS BECOMING MORE TOXIC EVERY DAY.
Show threadHarrison StarrNov 25, 2022
@taylorlorenz @esqueer
Musk has made it clear that the worst actors from Twitter past are more important to have on his site than those they would harm. He doesn't care if people leave over it. He wants them to. The plan to turn Twitter into #Birdchan marches forward.