Alter Account von Anne RothSo my bubble here starts thinking about governance, decision making and accountability in Mastodon.
I'm sure we're not the only ones. What else is out there? Who's talking / thinking / writing about this?
tethre
Peter König"My bubble starts .." - well: Some of them started 25 Years ago 😅
@peter_koenig Vor 25 Jahren haben die über Mastodon nachgedacht? Wow ;)
Sagen wir: Über Software-basiertes Monopol- und Herrschaftswissen.
Im Grunde fing das mit der LISA von Apple an. Steve Jobs "Einmauern von Wissen", dem Zwingen der Kunden in proprietäre APIs, und die Schaffung von digitalen Abhängigkeiten an, die natürlich Microsoft parallel vollzog und die Monopole im Office, LAN, etc. gescśchaffen hat.
Ist also noch ein paar Jahre älter. Firefox, OO/LO, Linux bzw. Mastodon sind nur die freien & IMO akzeptablen Alternativen der jeweiligen Zeit ..
PRNE@anneroth seems to me like most of the government is going to come from your local digital city-state
Erik Kemp 🇪🇺@anneroth Aye. Also tagging @smallcircles :)
Änn Euing 📜@anneroth also das level von mansplaining, dass du immer wieder kriegst, ist schon beeindruckend. ich könnt mir das so nicht geben, würde da schnell in wildes banhammering verfallen.
@chickamora Tatsächlich ist es mir gerade auch ein bisschen viel.
Jascha oder: tomate 🏳️🌈 🍅@anneroth I am thinking but not yet writing. I hope(!) that I have something writable by the end of the months.
@herrurbach Bin gespannt. Wer die Piraten durch hat, hat genau die Expertise, die wir da brauchen.
@anneroth oder auch nicht - wir haben das schon damals nicht gelöst bekommen :/
levampyre@herrurbach @anneroth
Naja, es gibt und gab ja Lösungsvorschläge. Aber dann wollten doch wieder ein paar mit Nazis und ähnlichen Menschenfeinden reden, weil "Meinungsfreiheit" und "both sides" und so.
Naja, es gibt und gab ja Lösungsvorschläge. Aber dann wollten doch wieder ein paar mit Nazis und ähnlichen Menschenfeinden reden, weil "Meinungsfreiheit" und "both sides" und so.
Esther
Nicol Wistreich@anneroth some social.coop admins have begun writing up the experience of running a community run, funded and governed instance here: https://cloud.medlab.host/s/dyZHePAzNA3PX3w (still a work in progress). Members discuss and vote on decisions — from changes to team, running upgrades, spending money or changing policies — here: https://www.loomio.com/socialcoop/.
CarK 
> Who's talking/thinking/writing about this?
talking✅
(with others from @BitsUndBaeumeDresden)
thinking✅
(topic is important and might even serve as a blueprint for other communities)
writing⏳
(... only started a pad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/fediverse-constitution-brainstorming)
Also: Kind of funny that you are bringing the governance topic up because some days ago @malteengeler nominated you as the "queen of mastodon" and I already asked you to convene #constitution|al council, see https://social.tchncs.de/web/@cark/109268622701327889 😉
I just found a new issue that should be part of the discussion on #fediverse #governance:
https://infosec.exchange/@jerry/109311187050279476
Their seem to be two contradicting positions:
"Would be immensely useful to find valuable information" vs. "Would be the perfect target-finder for trolls"
I think there are (technical) solutions for this, e.g. a optin-hashtag for indexing. But they need to be coordinated. → #constitution
CC:
@pybonacci
Jerry Bell :verified_paw: :donor: (@[email protected])
@leakix I am doing this publicly so I can take whatever heat I deserve for this. Perhaps I didn’t have the foresight to add a narrow rule disallowing accounts for projects that are indexing the fediverse/providing fediverse search abilities. I own that. I am, unfortunately, going to have to ask you to find a different instance to host on. I expect you’ll find that this a wildly unpopular project across the fediverse. It pains me, because at some level, I think it’s a useful and missing function, however it’s antithetical the values of the fediverse. Thanks for your understanding, Jerry
redcat@anneroth count me in.
David Gerhart@anneroth I am, definitely. Just launched my instance and these are the first things I started writing - rules and trying to learn about approvals, bla bla, blah. Happy to see you're concerned.
Joachim (he/him, white)@anneroth
Del & retoot:
Social.coop comes to my mind, i now see it was mentioned already.
Also: sunbeam.city .
And geno.social .
Lilian Edwards@anneroth yes, bubbling up. @Jkjacobus
Dr Robert N. Winter@anneroth Moderation is getting a lot of activity at present, but I am not sure that is the same as discussing governance, decision making, and accountability.
In that people seem most concerned about the application, or not, of CWs and getting others to conform to their preferred moral norms. Few seem to be, or even be willing to, deliberate the basis of their moderation preference.
@dajb wrote a thought provoking piece on this:
https://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2022/11/12/on-the-importance-of-fediverse-server-rules/
On the importance of Fediverse server rules | Open Thinkering
Let's say you're going to set up a new WhatsApp, Signal, or Telegram chat for a group of people. It could be for family members, it could be for friends, or colleagues. It could be, which is a very familiar scenario for Team Belshaw, the way in which you find out when and where your