@DekOfTheYautja PRECISELY THAT!

• Everyone with two braincells should come to the conclusion that @signalapp / #Signal is.just a successor project to #MINERVA / #Rubikon (aka. #CryptoAG) and #OperationIronside / #OperationTrøjanShield.
  • Because otherwise they would've been already shutdown like #EncroChat and not "let run" like #ANØM…

@benroyce @FQQD I know the details:

@signalapp are criminally incompetent like #EncroChat at best if not a #HoneyPot like #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield...

#Signal #Govware #incompetence #PII #PhoneNumbers #ToldYaSo

@kkarhan @GrapheneOS @tails_live @torproject @signalapp

"GrapheneOS chose their requirements and they can happily design their own platform instead."

There's no need to reinvent the wheel. AOSP is a secure, open-source platform that has been around for almost 20 years. I don't want to debate rumors that Google wants to make AOSP proprietary because there is no evidence to support this, especially since it would not benefit them in any way.

"I just think that their stubbornness"

It's not stubborness and I explained why.

"They are the antithesis to #Tails when it comes to #UserFriendly-ness and approachability for #Normies and #TechIlliterates

It's probably the first time I've seen “Tails” and “Normie” in the same sentence, It's not that Tails is difficult to use, but I'm really not sure that many “normies” use it or even know it exists. The user experience on GrapheneOS is almost identical to Pixel OS, the standard operating system for Google Pixel devices, so using GrapheneOS is likely to seem much simpler and familiar to normies, as they will already be used to it.

"Espechally since the problems woth #MobilePhones and the underlying technology ain't fixable with an #AndroidROM

GrapheneOS is not a ROM, Pixel OS is not a ROM, and LineageOS is not a ROM either, theses operating systems are not ROMs.

"Instead we need to foster a #SecurityCulture and proper #ITsec, #InfoSec, #OpSec & #comsec

Indeed, and what GrapheneOS does about security is completely appropriate, including informing people and giving them good advice.

"Otherwise we'll see them fail the same way @signalapp did, which is eitger getting shut down (#EncroChat-style) or being uncovered as a controlled opposition / honeypot (like #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield)…"

Signal did not fail, and mentioning Encrochat, ANON, and honeypots in the same sentence is irrelevant. These things have absolutely nothing in common with Signal, you seem to be believing made-up stories.

@Xtreix well, @GrapheneOS chose their requirements and they can happily design their own platform instead.

• I just think that their stubbornness makes them look like Stallmanist extremists to the point of being unbearable cringe and completely loosing the plot.
  • They are the antithesis to #Tails when it comes to #UserFriendly-ness and approachability for #Normies and #TechIlliterates.

To the point that it's cheaper to go black/red and teach that to people, even at the risk of inconvenience.

• I mean, in many juristictions one will have to do so anyway, but that's not tue point here…

I think #GrapheneOS prefer to "die on their hill" of "moral superiority" than fave the reality that 99% of people can't and won't blow $500 - $1000+ on a phone when any half-decent Netbook with @tails_live , @torproject and #4G or #5G modem can do the same.

• Espechally since the problems woth #MobilePhones and the underlying technology ain't fixable with an #Android-ROM.
  • Instead we need to foster a #SecurityCulture and proper #ITsec, #InfoSec, #OpSec & #ComSec.

Otherwise we'll see them fail the same way @signalapp did, which is eitger getting shut down (#EncroChat-style) or being uncovered as a controlled opposition / honeypot (like #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield)…

@tranquil_cassowary @halotroop2288 here's a good example:

https://www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au/blog/possessing-dedicated-encrypted-criminal-communication-devices-laws-and-penalties-in-nsw/

And yes, this can and will be weaponized against any non-#Govware - #backdoored #OS & -Device.

• #Microsoft doesn't even hide the fact that they got a #Backdoor in #BitLocker.
• #Apple certainly is both able and willing to unlock #iOS & #macOS devices as they have all the keys and literally snitched on users in the "P.R." #China.
• #Russia literally sues @delta / #deltaChat for neither collecting user data nor providing them with #backdoors.

In fact, #Australia banning #SecureDevices and -#Encryption came just after their #HoneyPot "#ANØM" aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield had to end and they had to bust the users as #Estonia was unwilling to extend the permission to host the infrastructure on it's soil on behalf if #FBI & #AFP!

@Soeren_loeg the fact that @signalapp not only does "#KYC with extra steps" by mandating a #PhoneNumber to this day as well as being solely under #CloudAct whilst basically being a #centralized, #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution makes them the ideal candidate for a longterm #HoneyPot like #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield.

• By the sheer size of users, it's a statistical inevitability that they got #Subopena'd and since they don't implement real #E2EE (with #SelfCustody of all the keys!) @Mer__edith would be in jail *if there wasn't a #Govware #backdoor as mandated per telco laws in every juristiction (see "#LawfulInterception!")…

Not to mention #Signal ticks way too many "#sus" boxes…

@fromjason me neither.

I'm just not gonna be part of the #Enshittification towards nudging people into shitty stuff either way.

• Others have explained that already better than I could.

#Signal is just as much of a #StingOp like #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield!

@soatok @sarahjamielewis I disagree on @signalapp 's "#Privacy" claims simply because demanding a #PhoneNumber when it's not a "technical necessity" is just indefensibly bad and at best "#KYC with extra steps", thus anti-privacy.

• If #Signal did put privacy first, they'd refuse to collect any data in the first place and actively make it impossible for them to identify, single-out ot otherwise snitch on users!

To me Signal has the same stench as #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield and unless one can 100% #SelfHost and #decentralize it, it's claims are at best #marketing #lies amidst legislation like #CloudAct, that'll give them no choice but to snitch & d0x users to the #US government!

• Only truly #anonymous|ly useable, decentralized and self-custody #mesaging with real #E2EE is going to be secure. And Signal falls flat on it's face compared to #XMPP+#OMEMO (i.e. @gajim & @monocles / #monoclesChat) and #PGP/MIME (i.e. @delta / #deltaChat & @thunderbird )…

@Mer__edith No.

The fact that @signalapp CHOSE to host the most expensive way possible at a #US military contrator and in spittibgbditance to #CIA & #NSA is so deliberate, it makes #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrojanShield professional by comparison for taking the time and effort to setup shell companies and servers in #Lithuania.

Or to ask bluntly: What Guarantees are there to prevent the #Trump Regime from taking down #Signal once it outlived it's usefulness at skirting #SubshineLaws and #Accountability and #Recordkeeping laws?

• Even if we assume you and all the coders are willing to "choose death over surrendering the keys" or implementing #Govware #Backdoors (which are wholly unnecessary with you demanding #PII like #PhoneNumbers and #Room641A-Style equipment doing the whole #metadata shit)…

If you don't own and physically control the hardware it's run on, the mere existance of #Signal depends on the goodwill of #JeffBezos!