Prior to WWI, if the nation was at least mostly a representative democracy, the majority of #socialists and #anarchists were #pacifists . Unless there was no democratic method to achieve #Socialism or #anarchism, most believed they could make it happen over time using education with a freedom of the press and then enough voters would make it happen.
This ended when the most conservative wing of the party, the social democrats in Germany and other nations had just recently gotten the right to have a political party and they didn't want to be viewed as unpatriotic, so they voted for #WWI . The majority of leftists viewed the war as a war between monarchs that would decimate the working class. Which it very much did.
But the social democrats voted them into a bloody pointless war that wrecked Europe as the most expensive royal family feud in modern history. It is unknown whether this shaped Lenin's view of things but he didn't overthrow the czar, he overthrew an elected but dysfunctional government where a large minority were some flavor of leftist who voted to keep the war going, instead of try to end it, like what Lenin did.
Sadly Lenin and Trotsky were a complete outsiders to aristocratic negotiation and were utterly humiliated by their former German allies when thy tried to get the country out of the alliance causing them to lose 1/3rd of the Russian territory. They were only lucky they got it back at the end of the war as part of the deal was that Germany return all of their seized land including their colonies.
The world powers then helped back and fund the monarchist white army causing a civil war in Russia, including some US troops being deployed to help them fight by Wilson though the deployment was less than a year.
This impacted Lenin and #Trotsky deeply making them more paranoid and less trustful of foreign governments because they had never been given any good reasons to do so and the rest of the world tried to flood the nation with propaganda, funded by monarchies and giant corporations, so #Lenin and later #Stalin cracked down on the freedom of the press.
Nothing Lenin or Trotsky did were in a vacuum and everything they did made logical reasoning based on the world at the time. Sadly that set the #USSR for the rise of Stalin making it an authoritarian nation until his death on a level never seen before in modern history.
@sennoma @cwebber
What if the ‘tin #pacifists have already died a on few hills; even significant ones, and the #dystopia is accelerating like an avalanche of boulders?

Saw some gobby turds giving a guy a hard time on Threads earlier for saying he’d be a “conscientious objector” in a war. Totally support him, but not for the reasons folk think.

The idiots even tried being insulting to me, calling me a ‘liberal’.

Not a Newsflash - I’m a socialist and proud of it.

I’m also a 6-year army veteran, and naturally violent. Combat, Rugby, Ice Hockey, NFL-rules Football, full-contact ring fighting (Boxing, Muay Thai, MMA), etc.

No squaddie ever wanted a conscript as a squad mate. NOBODY.

We wanted well-trained soldiers who would fight and kill like we would. So anyone who doesn’t want to be on the front line is of NO USE to us. Hence, I fully support ‘conshies’, and pacifists. No sarcasm.

Plenty of good jobs they can do back home. Not everyone needs to be a killer, nor should they be expected to become one. 😇

#army #pacifists #war #conscription

“Men have been pacifists for every reason under the sun except to avoid danger and fighting.”
― William Faulkner

#Bot #Quote #Fighting #Men #Pacifism #Pacifists #War

Heads up PLEASE!!!

I fear the Trump administration will plant violent protesters among our peaceful protests. They will use this as an excuse to use force against us. From this moment forward, at every protest, we must do the following:
The moment violence or property damage begins, EVERY OTHER PROTESTER MUST immediately sit on the floor or the ground in silence, with signs down.. #Gandhi #passiveresistance #pacifists

What an absolute joke 😃

The mighty #US navy can't even deal with the Houthi tribesmen!

The Houthi are still as happily in business as they ever were.

It's amazing what you CAN'T do with a few million dollars.

#USA #Pacifists #Politics #Cowardice

https://www.twz.com/news-features/red-sea-attacks-are-testing-combat-information-centers-aboard-u-s-navy-warships-like-never-before

Red Sea Attacks Are Testing Combat Information Centers Aboard U.S. Navy Warships Like Never Before

The chaotic, high-risk nature of the grinding Red Sea fight was starkly illustrated when a Navy cruiser shot down a friendly Super Hornet last month.

The War Zone

#OTD in 1943 five #ConscientiousObjectors began a hunger strike at the United States Northeastern Penitentiary in #Lewisburg Pennsylvania, they were soon joined by a sixth.

Forced feeding of the religious and political #pacifists refusing to fight #WWII began October 22nd as they persisted to oppose what they felt was unjust and unconstitutional "Totalitarian" control of their lives. The hunger strike ended in December 1943 when the head of the Federal Bureau of #Prisons, ended the #censorship of their mail but retained the right to read #PrisonerMail. The men were released after the conclusion of World War II.

One of those #LewisburgPrison #HungerStrikers was a theological seminary student named #DaveDellinger who had been educated at Yale and Oxford before joining the Divinity School of NYC Theological Seminary. Dellinger had already learned as an ambulance driver in the #SpanishCivilWar that "whoever won the armed struggle, it would not be the people". Dellinger later worked with the Berrigan brothers, Daniel Ellsberg and helped organize the 1967 protest march that encircled the #Pentagon. Dellinger would later end up as the oldest member of the #Chicago7 protesters, who was acquitted in a show trial alongside Abbie Hoffman in the late 60's. He made trips to Japan to protest #AtomicWeapons, and went to China and North Vietnam, securing the release of captured American servicemen, acting as a go-between with North Vietnamese leader #HoChiMinh.

Pacifists already pledge to resist National Service plans from the desperate Tories

British pacifists have said they will refuse to join/support the military under the Tories’ general election National Service plans

Canary
#Pacifists in shambles after realizing nuclear wars will end global warming.

⬆️ Clear articulation of 3 discrete & concurrent wars that seem to blend into 1:
—#Hamas
—#Netanyahu's Travesty
—#Antisemitism

"#Pacifists turn the other cheek…For me…#aggression is the worst thing…And aggression must sometimes be defeated by force"

In "the most urban war ever fought…I don’t know how many [children are killed], & neither do you, because only source for their numbers is Hamas"

100s of millions are confounding #Palestine with Hamas

Problem isn't #Zionism. It's #Arabism

@Devora