I like a good, tested backup plan. So after a few nights down rabbit holes I am looking at #cwtch as a fall back plan for if Signal has problems.

There are a lot of different options but this one seems a good blend of not US based, distributed system, old enough to be "established", and grown from a known organization so it isn't a one dv passion project that'll vanish overnight.

#privacy
Bueno, he decidido volver a trastear con #cwtch, esta vez en #openSUSE, y he visto que es necesario instalar Tor desde los repositorios oficiales antes de iniciar el programa. El que viene con el instalable de cwtch no funciona. El resto parece que va ok
Hi, has anyone figured out how to run #cwtch in "headless" mode? I'd like to run a CWTCH server on a server, without the UI.
#privacy #messaging

@R3yScale @cwtch I would love if cwtch could replace simplex, fascist project maintainer and cwtch is more decentralised and censorship resistant

All it would take I think for me to say the switch is worth it would be quantum resistant encryption and new cryptographic identities in every chat (perhaps a different tor address for every new chat)

I also need to compare the deniability features - simplex has a nice hidden profile feature

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #Cwtch #SimpleX #Tor #Deniability

Quiet FAQ

A private, p2p alternative to Slack and Discord built on Tor & IPFS - TryQuiet/quiet

GitHub

I like how people are recommending a bunch of FLOSS messengers now, its an opportunity to check out underrated projects like I just a few minutes ago learned about the FLOSS project Quiet (https://tryquiet.org) from a discord community trying to relocate.

The website says its all E2EE P2P with tor built in, channels like slack/discord, no email or phone number required. Unfortunately no quantum resistant encryption on the roadmap so I still would recommend SimpleX for general purpose instant messaging but Tor-by-default and P2P are genuine advantages over Simplex

If you found this post interesting you might also be interested in these decentralised encrypted messengers with various pros and cons compared to eachother:

Cwtch
https://cwtch.im
http://cwtchim3z2gdsyb27acfc26lup5aqbegjrjsqulzrnkuoalq5h4gmcid.onion/

Briar
https://briarproject.org/

Meshtastic
https://meshtastic.org/

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Security #Anonymity #Deniability #Meshtastic #Briar #Cwtch #SimpleX #Quiet #P2P #Tor #Slack #Discord

Quiet - Private messaging. No servers.

@delta deltachat is high on my list, but I've gotta give the crown to #cwtch - one of the most straightforwardly-obvious "this is a significant step better than others" chat systems I've seen in a very long time, possibly ever.

@escape_velocity

Thank you for being the only other person I see on my feed talking about simplex its refreshing

Imo its the gold standard in private anonymous group messaging. Better than Signal, briar, cwtch, deltachat, meshtastic.

All of them have some benefit over simples whether it be signals ease of use and stability, briars ability to share the binary over bluetooth, cwtch's simple in-app gui for self hosting, deltachat's interoperability with email, or meshtastics resilience in mesh networks.

But only simplex has no profile ids, quantum resistant encryption, advanced invite/multi profile management, as well as being decentralized

I think that especially anarchists and activists should seek this level of privacy because compromised contacts can have their conversations with you be corroborated to show you are the same person when you have a static id even if its a random string

Since I don't get to talk to people who use simplex much I should mention why I dont talk to the people in public simplex rooms: it skews far right because the creator is a trans hating[1] climate denier with a bunch of other right wing beliefs I cant remember, you know the usual.

That being said the developers have very little control over what happens on even their own servers: they can disable invite links they dont like but not rooms (invites can easily be regenerated), they can remove file links that get reported but not messages, (files are deleted after 48h anyway bc its a relay network they cant delete it when group members have it cached) and if either of these are hosted on another simplex server since its decentralised they cant do anything

except ig the nuclear option to totally cut connection to stop their own users connecting to users on that other server. but simplex is fairly simple to self host, we should be moving away from the official servers anyway

[1]
https://x.com/epoberezkin/status/1881832239186759841

#Simplex #FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Transgender #Climate #ClimateDenier #Signal #Briar #Cwtch #DeltaChat #Meshtastic

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@JamesEsses It is not just ideology. It is promotion of the chemical castration and mutilation to the children – the UK government should prohibit these horrific experiments. cc @reformparty_uk @RupertLowe10 please raise this issue in the parliament.

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#threema wurde verkauft

scheint immer mehr darauf hinauszulaufen dass die einzige mΓΆglichkeit fΓΌr privacy bei #messenger ist, das zeugs selbst zu hosten πŸ™„

oder p2p messenger wie #cwtch zu nutzen

@sarah Okay if simplex is off the table my next favourites are Cwtch, Briar, and Meshtastic they each have different use cases but none have quantum resistant encryption so if I had to ditch simplex I might have to use Signal the only other messenger I know to have quantum resistant encryption but I'd had to weigh that against the anonymity problems with signal

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #FLOSS #E2EE #Cwtch #Signal #Simplex #Briar #Meshtastic #QuantumResistantEncryption