Something just sort of showing up in this line of thinking about savant traits is that our genes look like an archive, when Raymond counts those toothpicks, I’ve said in this thread that’s an evolved trait, that it’s evolution creates these sorts of miracles and it seems able to create almost anything - but not in the first generation of mutation, miracles like savants do. It makes sense to me these feats are the product of long term evolution, selection,
etc.
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So that counting is in the gene pool, at least in “Raymond’s” (sorry, I read Neurotribes, but I forget the real fellow’s name or if the toothpick incident was real) at least in his family.
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In theory it could be teased out, back into common existence and use, like how traits come
and go in dog breeding, perhaps in some more modern, biotech way - perhaps only by learning not to keep selecting for something else.
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EDIT TO ADD: (So it perhaps follows that many traits are still in there, I suppose I think the whole peace of the Stone Age is still in there, and right now, Sure, why not?)
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I want to see this species level up, start to see their knowledge in terms of an interaction with the brain it comes from, with our adaptations to the human self made environment, how the environment they create controls their lives, their evolution, and even their minds. There is a feedback loop between our environment, self made or not, and our brains, especially this present environment and the present majority sort of brain.
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My dream, my bare minimum if we are to continue and thrive, is that we acknowledge and work with this real situation, and modify our self made environments to produce a human being the planet can live with.
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But OMFG they are a million years away from figuring any of this out. Aren’t they. 😢
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#AutisticScience #ND #ActuallyAutistic #AuDHD #Autism #Philosophy #Anthropology
I’m bitter, pissed about having to claw my way through a world of Allistic bulls - Allistic knowledge for sixty years, that’s what I blame being slow on.
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Krypronite to our powers or something. The systematizing brain needs real data.😠
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#AutisticScience #ND #ActuallyAutistic #AuDHD #Autism #Philosophy #Anthropology
When I’m feeling shitty or too realistic about it, it seems to have taken my whole sixty-plus years to get this far in my theorizing, but learning about neurotype was massive, really I’d wasted the first sixty years or so just placing it all inside psychology, NT psychology I think now, and that discovery only happened four years ago. It started to be about evolution before that, but honestly, I’m not sure how long before. Maybe not long l after I statted blogging,
in around 2014.
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So really this alternative view is mostly only as old as my self-dx, 2022, (I think. Been some rough years)except there was a lot of NT psychology and evolution leading up to it.
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Seems excruciatingly slow, a few new steps like this thread a year or something, but it’s really only been a few years, considering the rest of my life was . . . misdirected 💜
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I mean, I sort of can’t believe it myself, that it’s my modern, Euro, invader ass saying: The ancient wisdom is still there, inside us, but I think I did.
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This is a proof, isn’t it? A proper cause we already know versus a repeating astronomically unlikely coincidence? 🧐
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guessing that I lost y’all
with this one? 💜
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@autistics
#AutisticScience
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forgot that hashtag
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other neurotypes’ science looks like a million unconnected factoids if you find your own.
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EDIT TO ADD: This surely is a major source of school stress for non-Allistics, what they teach has a thread for them, it all maybe falls together for them - but it’s a million unconnected factoids to people like me.
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This seemed really good to me.
Come to my school, 😘💜
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@punishmenthurts SHIT WHAT WTF IS #AUTISTICSCIENCE I NEED TO KNOW WTF what have you doneee lol anything else i was gonna do today has just left my system lmao holy shit there is so much to explore here
While I’m on the subject of me being wrong, I wrote a big one and got some love for writing that creationism is old school and evolution is new because stone tools are old and farming is new - I consider that all backwards and Allistic now, evolution is life and of coarse life knowledge predates tools.
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Now to me, the idea of the creationist toolmaker’s myth, that things have makers and purposes, it’s strong, but it is still new and probably Allistic. I don’t have a specific strong argument for this right now, but this is my default on the #AutisticScience side of the looking glass, life first. 💜
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The Spanking Gene Appendix E

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The Spanking Gene

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The Autistic and the Blade Appendix E

it’s a still from 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Australopithecus swinging a club made of a bone

Appendix E

Religion, explained, or Evolution as Religion

It’s not the afterlife, it’s the next life, the next generation.

It’s not your soul, it’s your genes you need to be protecting, and not the way the warriors think, the way you would protect your soul is the way you protect your genes, by getting right with the world.

This is what the prophets have been trying to tell you when they talk about changing your ways, when you abuse, you harm your genes and so we are punished in the “next,” life, meaning the next generation.

“Soul,” in this sense, is a better definition for genes than the popular version, which is what, atoms, molecules, building blocks of some sort. This is life as religion here, in theory, how things may have been understood in the deeper past, before we became the warriors and lost the sense of things.

It’s been a minute since any of my silly declarations like this excited me, but this seems like where I’ve always been heading, it’s abysmal that it took so long.

This seems like where religion and reality have only just parted ways, where they are still nearly the same thing, religion and truth, maybe Allism and Autism, religion and evolution, your soul and your ever-adapting genes. It’s always the differences we need to be talking about, but this what is almost common, two versions of what you do in this life creating what we get in the next, right? It seems like the crux of the problem.

I would have us do one long find and replace text, find “soul,” and replace it with “genes,” and somehow make it real for people, this would be my, If I could change one thing answer.

First I found an ironic way that the Adam and Eve creation business can be “true,” because that’s the story of the beginning of Allistic people, and now I think I’ve done the same for Heaven and Hell, the afterlife, that’s “true,” too, if you’re talking about genes and a human Heaven or Hell that we see in the next actual life, in the lives of our descendants.

I mean, I’m surprised to see that the religious ideas are quite so parallel to the real ones, that the idea of sin and punishment is the same . . . shape, same configuration as creating a bad environment and adapting to it, surprised that the difference can be so textually small, next life for afterlife, like an error in translation. I fancy we’ve followed a divergence right back to the point where it began here, when both minds only just stopped working the same way.

Something goes badly when we codify how to live, when we attempt to record this knowledge and teach it it becomes fiction, optional, at least for the modern sort. Somehow real knowledge became, “just religion.”

It’s like when the Historical Age Humans ™ and God created each other, they stopped believing, stopped believing that what we do in this life makes our future life and this truth became fiction, became something the obviously fictional Man in the Sky said instead of the reality we lived in.

( I’m having an insight that folks are going to read this backwards, like I’m religious, lamenting the loss of religion, like Nietzsche, no, it’s the opposite, I’m lamenting God and modern humankind’s birth, not His death, I’m crying over the loss of the pre-religious truth we used to share with Earthbound life before God showed up and made fiction of the real world.

I confess, it sounds like Freddy, topics and language.

I think your soul is really your genes, but then I would have to rewrite the Ten Commandments, the rules could use a few more mentions of violence as that doesn’t seem like a problem for your soul but it sure is for your genes.

“Thou shalt not kill,” looks a bit lonely and irrelevant all by itself on that list, and it doesn’t seem like the main theme, and anyway the dead don’t have a real next life, it’s the living whose progeny will be a little further from Heaven and closer to Hell, the commandments ought to have some focus on the violence practiced upon the living. Because evolution.

Such a small textual difference, soul for genes, afterlife for next life – but from some angles the difference seems no less than a focus on death over life.

It would seem more helpful if the basis for law banned things like beatings and torture as well, for your genes, both as punisher and as victim. It hurts more than the punisher’s fictional eternal soul, it is a hazardous environment and affects their actual, physical, worldly genes in the next generations.

They don’t call that “hurt,” they figure they’re adapting. But long view, we can see the human world is not on the path of healing. Some humans are adapting, but most of the world is just dying instead. We started talking about the afterlife and lost the real future, because protecting your obviously fictional soul has always been entirely optional.

My idea is that if mythology shows us the workings of the mind, and if humans can be organized into neurotypes, both of which I believe, then mythology is almost certainly neurotype dependent and the Bible and the Greek myths, etc., are probably not for Autistics or other sorts, those would be at least mostly Allistic myths.

The Chalice and Blade describes how the people of those times pointedly wrote new myths, upon the dominance of their, well, Eisler said, “social model,” but neurotype seems far more real to me. It’s what I rewrote the Chalice for. I think that the appearance of a new set of myths since the fifth millennium BCE points to a new dominant neurotype. I think we have to count afterlife schemes among the replacement myths, is today’s rant, count them as something new and strange and . . . well, there is no other word, and equal and opposite, if we were the doctors and they were the patients . . . patho . . . patholo . . . problematic. Maybe there has to be another word for a little longer, ha.

But I’m not here to condemn, the point is only to resurrect what was replaced. I just want the real next life back.

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So what I’m after, I guess, is your “soul,” would be your own, it’s the individualist framing – whereas your “genes,” means your children and all of humanity into the future, it’s communal.

If we actually protect this thing, call it what you will, you are protecting community, and if you decide it’s “just religion,” and blow it off while still somehow telling yourself you’re saving your own soul through some side deal with God, you are abandoning community, making life an everyone for themselves situation.

You know I think it’s the state of human childhood that forces us all to choose this, that when your own genes, your own parents attack you, that is the most logical conclusion you can draw, is that you’re on your own.

So it’s genes, it’s neurotype – but it’s not just hardware, it’s environment – and we control our environment, which puts us in control of our genes and our neurotype. It is our actions and choices that have made us what we are and we could turn this around, turn it any direction we like, if we could only know we’re doing it, if we could only pull our heads out of our fictions.

It’s frustrating to glimpse this double bind, to see this logical trap, this Murphy’s Law joke we live in, but I can’t find another path to real hope.

Thanks for listening, if you did. I’ll repeat the punchline: not here to condemn.

I just want the real next life back. Wanted, maybe.

Jeff

Dec. 26th., 2025

#AutisticScience #TheAutisticandtheBlade #TheSpankingGene #TheChaliceandtheBlade

The Spanking Gene Chapter Summaries

This is what the long version tries to say, but I’m not sure you’d have known that without this, and perhaps this is enough, if we’re like minded – but this will certainly help if you’re compelled to read the whole thing.

The Spanking Gene

Or

The Autistic and the Blade

Chapter Summaries

One, Jeff’s Introduction

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The project. It’s to reinterpret the iconic The Chalice and the Blade, by Dr. Riane Eisler in terms of genetics rather than social models, to say that their dominant social model is less of a model and more of a gene, more of a Neurotype matter. I’m framing it as an attack on the species by an aggressive and ultimately unworkable genetic adaptation – the Spanking Gene, like the warrior gene.

I hope you’ll know what was in the Chalice and what I am trying to update about it when I’m done.

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Two, Eisler’s Introduction

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I started here, so it’s the project again, then into the book, Eisler’s project, which was to complete our picture of history and prehistory by including women and female things, and Eisler’s framing, of “Partnership,” and “Dominator,” social models, or paradigms. She takes us into the prehistoric, pre-war world of the Near East and Old Europe and introduces us to the Goddess, the original monotheism. There is theory, theirs and mine. Talk about my Neurotype and Autism generally.

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Three, Chapter One

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Eisler shows us the Paleolithic and Neolithic world, with dates, making the case that for a long time there is no evidence of the life of conflict we have come to think of as the original state of affairs. They speak of life and life giving – and I spend most of this entry trying to make the case that all that means evolution, aboriginal, forever knowledge of evolution, that this knowledge is the crucial thing that was lost when the disasters happened and everything changed.

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Four, Chapter Two

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More of the Goddess and the art, and Eisler pointing out the patriarchal sort of errors that suffuse the archaeology world, how since Babylon, it’s all looked back at incorrectly, through modern, violent, patriarchal eyes. Eisler talks about choosing social models and I talk about choosing not to spank, saying that spanked people don’t really choose their social models, and also Neurotype, that not everyone is offered the same choices. My theory that if you don’t spank a born Dominator, they’ll have more options.

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Five, Chapter Three

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The beauty and mystery of Minoan civilization on Crete, Eisler talks about the art and the lack of fortifications – Crete was where the old world lasted longest, and this is a mystery in the normal world of Allistic science and history. I try to solve it, there is some theory, speculation about how the Minoans could have avoided the Spanking Gene, or that if they didn’t, perhaps they nonetheless didn’t activate it, per my epigenetics idea.

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Six, Chapter Four

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More about the end of Crete, the Bronze age collapse, before we go back to the Neolithic collapse under the invaders during the fifth and sixth millennia BCE. Eisler busts the usual explanations for why things turned to fairly constant war, the “increased population in the cities,” the “improved weaponry,” of the Copper and Bronze ages and replaces them with the invasions and the culture the invaders brought with them, and of course, I adjust “culture,” for “genetics.”

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Seven, Chapter Five

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Eisler spends this one on Systems and Change theories, Chaos theory to explain the extreme social change. I spend some arguing, trying to make a case about genes and evolution, arguing with the very idea of “cultural evolution.”

I spend some time trying parse it and “social models,” and make the case that the “treatment,” of Autistic children proves the existence of the Spanking Gene, that a lack of a normal response to spanking is considered pathological.

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Eight, Chapter Six

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Here Eisler uses the Greek plays, the Oresteia to show us how the old ways were so high handedly replaced, in the plays, the gods decide Orestes is innocent of murdering his own mother, because motherhood isn’t a thing anymore. Eisler’s point is this lie is forced in this public way – mine is that to believe that lie, you need a different sort of a brain. There is a lot about women being forced out of every position of power in society.

I spend time trying to apply some broad genetics to the invasions and the millennia following them, advancing a theory of genetic drift, with more than one vector, the immediate slaughter of competing genes, as well as the ongoing growth of the gene within the affected population from the environmental pressure of spanking and law.

I spend some time trying to triangulate a true starting point for it all.

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Nine, Chapter Seven

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Eisler continues about the erasure of the Goddess and the old world, moving from Greece to Palestine and the Bible and I spend some more time pondering the Hebrew conquests and the Biblical rules about women and breeding, making my guesses about what they mean about what the Dominator sort seems to understand about genes and evolution, noting some tension between isolationist warrior societies and a gene that simply wants to be everywhere.

Then I talk about creation myths and note the odd truth that the Hebrew invaders count themselves to have been created during the period where we see the sudden rise of violence as religion in the archaeological record, and if we allow for a gene and maybe a Neurotype, we can literally agree.

Eisler says that after multiple edits, that in modern times, the only mere mortal in the Christian Pantheon is the former Goddess, the Mother of God.

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Ten, Chapter Eight

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Here Eisler starts again about a social model, about society structuring our relationships and I spend some time trying to turn that upside down and say how our relationships form society instead, and that ours is based in the fundamentally broken relationship between parent and child that is spanking.

In terms of history, Eisler shows how much that the modern Dominators credit to Greece for human advancement were really much earlier, old world innovations. I end with some discussion of the philosophers of fascism as simply the exponents and proponents of the Spanking Gene.

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Eleven, Chapter Nine

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Here Eisler tells of the pushback, of repeated Partnership sorts of attempts to change the world, starting that even Greece was better than the slaughter and dark time that preceded it and going to the Christian movements. I suggest that the worst of the modern day warrior sorts seem to declare themselves a separate type of human and differentiate themselves from the people they abuse by saying the abused are “suited for it.” That the language of supremacy itself betrays that they have a sort of Neurodiversity theory too.

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Twelve, Chapter Ten

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Eisler shows a pattern, that as a society moves towards war, that it attacks its own, the women, the partnership sorts, that we see waves of social misogyny, followed by some bloody war, again and again. I argue with their explanation as always, but I too see a pattern of people simply getting worse and worse with each other – beginning with spanking and police – until some massive social meltdown, a war or a world war.

Same pattern, almost the same causes, but one detail, children, and the epigenetics of spanking never does make it into modern, normal people’s thinking.

Next I spend some time trying to show that much of what we see as political lying and gaslighting likely comes down to neurotype, one type’s lie is another type’s best guess, making examples of the capitalist’s inability to correctly describe the communism they despise. I repeat some stuff about spanking, more theory.

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Thirteen, Chapter Eleven

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Here we are almost home in the modern age, starting with the European Enlightenment (by the Turtle Islanders, per The Dawn of Everything), and suggesting that a fine task for us today would be to compete that job, the enlightenment, carry any momentum it had for Partnership forward. For my part, I try to apply the same genetic ideas to this Age of European expansion that I tried to with the previous events.

I have an argument abut education, that you can’t just teach people anything, it has to match their genes and their brains, their types, and that the arc of society does not follow what the teachers teach, it only follows their methods, which are an environment of abuse that causes adaptations that make some sorts of ideas more likely than others. There is more theory about Neurotype, and a few more theories based in my Divergence, from conservatism, to freedom fighting, to whether feminists spank.

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Fourteen, Chapter Twelve

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Eisler lists some fears of future dystopia scenarios, should we not turn things around – and I bust the idea as fantasies of the Spanking Gene, that no such control is possible in the real world where people do not remain constant but are forever adapting and changing, and as an example, such attempts at nightmarish control in the last century are what we now call a century of simply chaos and war that no-one is claiming to have had any control over.

We do not discuss overpopulation.

I offer a simple, logical argument about the logic of spanking and punishment. Eisler mentions “the power of myth,” and I add the caveat that this power is dependent on there being a resonant string in your brain, that brains make myths, myths don’t make brains.

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Fifteen, Chapter Thirteen

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Winding down. Here at the end of their book, Eisler is reiterating things, and I reiterate some of my arguments. Some visionary is quoted about a “new consciousness,” and I complain that it’s hardly the point, that the whole book says we want the old consciousness back, not another new mistake.

30th., Anniversary Epilogue

Thirty years later, when it says, “male female relations,” in this portion, it also says, “and parent-child relations,” as well, and there is even a meta sort of remark I like very much, about how the political Right is smart to focus on parents and children – even if they have it all wrong by my tastes – while the pseudo “Left,” is top down – like social science or something.

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Sixteen, Diagnosis and the Prescription

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Since this section is already a summary in every book, I’m just leaving the excerpt in place. It really is the point.

“This is a thing I believe, and I think this is all science that brings me to believe it, that if we somehow managed to stop making our own environment a social Hell, it wouldn’t be one anymore, it would change, because we would change. If we grokked evolution, and sought better environments, rather than building nightmares to “deter,” something, we would be happily living in those better environs already.”

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Jeff

Aug. 28th., 2024

#autisticscience #theautisticandtheblade #thespankinggene #thechaliceandtheblade