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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 2

Thinking about my frustrations with the majority and their quirks, first, I read some Pinker, and he has that rap that’s so common now, we can’t do that because our evolution never required it of us in the past, meaning, in my memory of it, we can’t process large numbers or deep time or odds realistically, and first, it’s more of Human Nature, this royal “we,” what do you mean, “we,” white man? 😀
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We could surely find him savants in all three of those areas and many more, some people get that stuff. Where is the logic in taking an average and calling it the whole sample?
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And I’ve said many times, Steve’s list and Aristotle’s list, intended for everyone, are the closest thing we have to a definition of Allistic people, albeit only the negative half of the definition, but I’m talking today because that train of thought has perhaps finally taken another step.
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Of course evolution has given us reasons to understand odds! Are you kidding? Nature, rough in tooth and claw, predators forever prowling, you don’t think prey calculates odds? Predators too?
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And probably large numbers and deep time too.
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What if these traits were things all creatures have, after all there are odds and large numbers and deep time in the world, these things have always existed before Pinker discovered them, what if these were powers we had and lost?
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I took the leap while writing the book summer before last that the Goddess worshipping, pre-war people of the Neolithic understood breeding and evolution, that fantastical origin stories and the universal, permanent Human Nature are new things in the world, and that goes to odds and deep time. I think this has to be part of my deal.
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spitballing again, I guess. 😀😇
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 2

@autistics
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Just an observation that perhaps the meme, “evolution never required it,” makes more sense if you do have an attenuated sense of deep time? 🧐
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 2

@autistics
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Ah - sometimes my through the looking glass line of thinking seems so very productive. It’s my joy, what I have of joy. 💜
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I mean, what is the theory of savantism in Allistic science?
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An occasional mutation that by some amazing series of accidents produces mental miracles, every one a first, a one off? How many of these astronomically unlikely coincidences?
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As opposed to it being something like a spandrel? Something that was there in the species before and is simply still there in the genome because evolution hasn’t been able or bothered to lose it completely yet? So a complex thing that evolved for hundreds of millions of years, as opposed to an accident, a mutation that groks high math?
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 2

@autistics
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The rest of the sermon, I suppose it follows that if these savant traits are evolved over deep time, that they are not superpowers, but basic, and fundamental, not some fancy packaging, but basic and necessary infrastructure that we have all but lost.
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Including the actuarial sense, I think my personal superpower, which I’m always making the case that it’s not optional, that we need to revive it or fade into the fossil record. I suppose nothing evolution gives you is optional.
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A proper sermon would say now and I do, that we could get these powers back and get our future back, but that is not really our current direction.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 2

@autistics
#AutisticScience
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forgot that hashtag
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other neurotypes’ science looks like a million unconnected factoids if you find your own.
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EDIT TO ADD: This surely is a major source of school stress for non-Allistics, what they teach has a thread for them, it all maybe falls together for them - but it’s a million unconnected factoids to people like me.
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This seemed really good to me.
Come to my school, 😘💜
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

guessing that I lost y’all
with this one? 💜
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

I mean, I sort of can’t believe it myself, that it’s my modern, Euro, invader ass saying: The ancient wisdom is still there, inside us, but I think I did.
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This is a proof, isn’t it? A proper cause we already know versus a repeating astronomically unlikely coincidence? 🧐
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama

When I’m feeling shitty or too realistic about it, it seems to have taken my whole sixty-plus years to get this far in my theorizing, but learning about neurotype was massive, really I’d wasted the first sixty years or so just placing it all inside psychology, NT psychology I think now, and that discovery only happened four years ago. It started to be about evolution before that, but honestly, I’m not sure how long before. Maybe not long l after I statted blogging,
in around 2014.
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So really this alternative view is mostly only as old as my self-dx, 2022, (I think. Been some rough years)except there was a lot of NT psychology and evolution leading up to it.
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Seems excruciatingly slow, a few new steps like this thread a year or something, but it’s really only been a few years, considering the rest of my life was . . . misdirected 💜
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

I’m bitter, pissed about having to claw my way through a world of Allistic bulls - Allistic knowledge for sixty years, that’s what I blame being slow on.
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Krypronite to our powers or something. The systematizing brain needs real data.😠
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

Something just sort of showing up in this line of thinking about savant traits is that our genes look like an archive, when Raymond counts those toothpicks, I’ve said in this thread that’s an evolved trait, that it’s evolution creates these sorts of miracles and it seems able to create almost anything - but not in the first generation of mutation, miracles like savants do. It makes sense to me these feats are the product of long term evolution, selection,
etc.
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So that counting is in the gene pool, at least in “Raymond’s” (sorry, I read Neurotribes, but I forget the real fellow’s name or if the toothpick incident was real) at least in his family.
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In theory it could be teased out, back into common existence and use, like how traits come
and go in dog breeding, perhaps in some more modern, biotech way - perhaps only by learning not to keep selecting for something else.
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EDIT TO ADD: (So it perhaps follows that many traits are still in there, I suppose I think the whole peace of the Stone Age is still in there, and right now, Sure, why not?)
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I want to see this species level up, start to see their knowledge in terms of an interaction with the brain it comes from, with our adaptations to the human self made environment, how the environment they create controls their lives, their evolution, and even their minds. There is a feedback loop between our environment, self made or not, and our brains, especially this present environment and the present majority sort of brain.
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My dream, my bare minimum if we are to continue and thrive, is that we acknowledge and work with this real situation, and modify our self made environments to produce a human being the planet can live with.
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But OMFG they are a million years away from figuring any of this out. Aren’t they. 😢
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:EA DATA. SF:Mar 4

@punishmenthurts

This is how allistics end up supporting eugenics, unfortunately. That's how they optimize but they do it for racist and ableist reasons.

Have you read this All Tomorrows?

It really delves into specialized humans.

All Tomorrows - Wikipedia

Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

@jrdepriest
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Bookmarked, I’ll have a look in the morning, thanks.
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Yeah, they had a thing ten years back, “conscious evolution,” and it wasn’t what I’m after at all, it was like a business thing, go with your pack hunter instincts, talked about having your team split up into primeval sized groups or something.
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Their context is limited by their Human Nature idea. They have a bottom line that isn’t really the bottom line, again, missing their own current evolution. 💜
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EDIT TO ADD: you don’t tease the desired traits out existing dog genes by trying to kill off all the other breeds, do you. 😈

:EA DATA. SF:Mar 4

@punishmenthurts

I love your last line that the added.

Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

@jrdepriest
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ty 💜😀

Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

@jrdepriest
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it’s an amazingly specific thing, isn’t it? They do understand it about dogs and horses, but they don’t about people. 😳💜

Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

@jrdepriest
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read about the book, sounds like fun, I would surely have loved it when I read sci-fi specifically and when I could read mkre generally, thanks. 👍💜
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Philosophically, I don’t talk about evolution looking forward, I’m looking backwards, I want to be who we were during the ice age or before. The idea that the past is awful and the future is bright is not really what I think I’m seeing. I get that it’s what NT people see.

:EA DATA. SF:Mar 4

@punishmenthurts

Evolution doesn't look forward or backward, that's the thing.

Evolution looks at right now. That's all it does and all it can do. We hope that the traits being optimized today are the ones that will serve us well tomorrow. We hope that biology evolves slower than geology.

Evolution isn't a plan or a set of instructions. It isn't optimization because it can only work with mutations that actually happen and only in the environment in which they happen.

It's also so slow compared to our lifespans.

I know the human genome project was supposed to "solve" genetics, give us the blueprint for our biology.

It did solve some things, but it also discovered so much stuff that just raises more questions than we can possibly answer. And it isn't "this gene does this and that gene does that" it's all layered and connected and sequences matter and epigenetics exist and so on. We have lots of DNA from viruses in our DNA. Is it good or bad? Does it help us fight them off? Does it make them worse?

There is so much we don't know.

I just want to be fully amphibious. Can I take a pill that will "evolve" that out of me? No? Then they need to get back to work!

Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama Mar 4

@jrdepriest
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thanks for talking. 💜
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a big point for me is that all they're optimizing anymore is war and conflict and this is not serving us. EDIT TO ADD: as you say, evolution looks at right now, and we’re always at war right now anymore. 💜
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I'm not sold that evolution requires waiting for random mutations to accumulate, there is selection. I think a trait can be grown and shrunk in shorter periods of time that the usual version would have us think. I feel the Sunday school version of evolution we have is hedging, it wants to say Yes to evolution, but it needs it to take so long that they don't have to think about it to live.
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All that complexity, yes, of course, and when I say "a gene," it's understood not to be a technical term, but meant generically, there are smaller, more basic things than genes, alleles, . . .preomes, spelling? I just mean it to say, whatever in us that adapts. I'm after functions, not microscopy.
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Forwards and backwards - I don't mean in some scripted deal where we go from bad to good or simple to complex, I mean in our history, "backwards," in terms of our own history - we peaked sometime before 10,000BCE, I mean we were still functional then, maybe. we weren't yet living for war. Maybe.
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That script, like evolution has a finish line or a goal, don't worry, that's a lot of folks, but it's not me. I think the folks that think it again, are saying, "evolution," but still speaking in a creationist framing.
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I think technically, that's what this thread said, you do have amphibian genes in you still, and perhaps some very advanced science could make frogs out of you. 😀 💜