#thespankinggene CHAPTER 1 p2

"There’s no “warrior gene,” it’s a whole bunch of chimpanzee genes, is all, I think this is the current public view?" i think so too? actually, idk if ppl see their dna as something that shapes their thinking, i think they mostly see it as the instructions for creating a physical biological entity, not something that actually shapes your outputs and thoughts. but yes, that we are just monkeys doing monkey things. but that completely ignores we have free will???

#thespankinggene CH1 p1

"I hope they agree with me, but I need to think through everything myself anyway." hahaha FELT thats how i feel going in to this book lmaooo 'yeah, i like where you are going with this, but imma scrutinize it the whole way down until it fits into my framework or gets dismissed' bahahaha sorry, maybe thats just me lol

"of course there’s no gene for anything so complex" lol silly epigeneticists, are genes not EXACTLY what determine the very amount of complexity present?

reading #thespankinggene by @punishmenthurts and figured itd be fun to just type along my thoughts here while reading. perhaps someone can find entertainment in my ramblings hahaha

"It’s Neurodiversity Theory from the Dark Side" haha i love it already

omg "It’s an origin story for the Neurodivergent, because we deserve one." 💜

AND IM NOT EVEN TO CHAPTER 1 WTF

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The Spanking Gene Appendix E

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The Spanking Gene

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The Autistic and the Blade Appendix E

it’s a still from 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Australopithecus swinging a club made of a bone

Appendix E

Religion, explained, or Evolution as Religion

It’s not the afterlife, it’s the next life, the next generation.

It’s not your soul, it’s your genes you need to be protecting, and not the way the warriors think, the way you would protect your soul is the way you protect your genes, by getting right with the world.

This is what the prophets have been trying to tell you when they talk about changing your ways, when you abuse, you harm your genes and so we are punished in the “next,” life, meaning the next generation.

“Soul,” in this sense, is a better definition for genes than the popular version, which is what, atoms, molecules, building blocks of some sort. This is life as religion here, in theory, how things may have been understood in the deeper past, before we became the warriors and lost the sense of things.

It’s been a minute since any of my silly declarations like this excited me, but this seems like where I’ve always been heading, it’s abysmal that it took so long.

This seems like where religion and reality have only just parted ways, where they are still nearly the same thing, religion and truth, maybe Allism and Autism, religion and evolution, your soul and your ever-adapting genes. It’s always the differences we need to be talking about, but this what is almost common, two versions of what you do in this life creating what we get in the next, right? It seems like the crux of the problem.

I would have us do one long find and replace text, find “soul,” and replace it with “genes,” and somehow make it real for people, this would be my, If I could change one thing answer.

First I found an ironic way that the Adam and Eve creation business can be “true,” because that’s the story of the beginning of Allistic people, and now I think I’ve done the same for Heaven and Hell, the afterlife, that’s “true,” too, if you’re talking about genes and a human Heaven or Hell that we see in the next actual life, in the lives of our descendants.

I mean, I’m surprised to see that the religious ideas are quite so parallel to the real ones, that the idea of sin and punishment is the same . . . shape, same configuration as creating a bad environment and adapting to it, surprised that the difference can be so textually small, next life for afterlife, like an error in translation. I fancy we’ve followed a divergence right back to the point where it began here, when both minds only just stopped working the same way.

Something goes badly when we codify how to live, when we attempt to record this knowledge and teach it it becomes fiction, optional, at least for the modern sort. Somehow real knowledge became, “just religion.”

It’s like when the Historical Age Humans ™ and God created each other, they stopped believing, stopped believing that what we do in this life makes our future life and this truth became fiction, became something the obviously fictional Man in the Sky said instead of the reality we lived in.

( I’m having an insight that folks are going to read this backwards, like I’m religious, lamenting the loss of religion, like Nietzsche, no, it’s the opposite, I’m lamenting God and modern humankind’s birth, not His death, I’m crying over the loss of the pre-religious truth we used to share with Earthbound life before God showed up and made fiction of the real world.

I confess, it sounds like Freddy, topics and language.

I think your soul is really your genes, but then I would have to rewrite the Ten Commandments, the rules could use a few more mentions of violence as that doesn’t seem like a problem for your soul but it sure is for your genes.

“Thou shalt not kill,” looks a bit lonely and irrelevant all by itself on that list, and it doesn’t seem like the main theme, and anyway the dead don’t have a real next life, it’s the living whose progeny will be a little further from Heaven and closer to Hell, the commandments ought to have some focus on the violence practiced upon the living. Because evolution.

Such a small textual difference, soul for genes, afterlife for next life – but from some angles the difference seems no less than a focus on death over life.

It would seem more helpful if the basis for law banned things like beatings and torture as well, for your genes, both as punisher and as victim. It hurts more than the punisher’s fictional eternal soul, it is a hazardous environment and affects their actual, physical, worldly genes in the next generations.

They don’t call that “hurt,” they figure they’re adapting. But long view, we can see the human world is not on the path of healing. Some humans are adapting, but most of the world is just dying instead. We started talking about the afterlife and lost the real future, because protecting your obviously fictional soul has always been entirely optional.

My idea is that if mythology shows us the workings of the mind, and if humans can be organized into neurotypes, both of which I believe, then mythology is almost certainly neurotype dependent and the Bible and the Greek myths, etc., are probably not for Autistics or other sorts, those would be at least mostly Allistic myths.

The Chalice and Blade describes how the people of those times pointedly wrote new myths, upon the dominance of their, well, Eisler said, “social model,” but neurotype seems far more real to me. It’s what I rewrote the Chalice for. I think that the appearance of a new set of myths since the fifth millennium BCE points to a new dominant neurotype. I think we have to count afterlife schemes among the replacement myths, is today’s rant, count them as something new and strange and . . . well, there is no other word, and equal and opposite, if we were the doctors and they were the patients . . . patho . . . patholo . . . problematic. Maybe there has to be another word for a little longer, ha.

But I’m not here to condemn, the point is only to resurrect what was replaced. I just want the real next life back.

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So what I’m after, I guess, is your “soul,” would be your own, it’s the individualist framing – whereas your “genes,” means your children and all of humanity into the future, it’s communal.

If we actually protect this thing, call it what you will, you are protecting community, and if you decide it’s “just religion,” and blow it off while still somehow telling yourself you’re saving your own soul through some side deal with God, you are abandoning community, making life an everyone for themselves situation.

You know I think it’s the state of human childhood that forces us all to choose this, that when your own genes, your own parents attack you, that is the most logical conclusion you can draw, is that you’re on your own.

So it’s genes, it’s neurotype – but it’s not just hardware, it’s environment – and we control our environment, which puts us in control of our genes and our neurotype. It is our actions and choices that have made us what we are and we could turn this around, turn it any direction we like, if we could only know we’re doing it, if we could only pull our heads out of our fictions.

It’s frustrating to glimpse this double bind, to see this logical trap, this Murphy’s Law joke we live in, but I can’t find another path to real hope.

Thanks for listening, if you did. I’ll repeat the punchline: not here to condemn.

I just want the real next life back. Wanted, maybe.

Jeff

Dec. 26th., 2025

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The Spanking Gene Chapter Summaries

This is what the long version tries to say, but I’m not sure you’d have known that without this, and perhaps this is enough, if we’re like minded – but this will certainly help if you’re compelled to read the whole thing.

The Spanking Gene

Or

The Autistic and the Blade

Chapter Summaries

One, Jeff’s Introduction

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The project. It’s to reinterpret the iconic The Chalice and the Blade, by Dr. Riane Eisler in terms of genetics rather than social models, to say that their dominant social model is less of a model and more of a gene, more of a Neurotype matter. I’m framing it as an attack on the species by an aggressive and ultimately unworkable genetic adaptation – the Spanking Gene, like the warrior gene.

I hope you’ll know what was in the Chalice and what I am trying to update about it when I’m done.

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Two, Eisler’s Introduction

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I started here, so it’s the project again, then into the book, Eisler’s project, which was to complete our picture of history and prehistory by including women and female things, and Eisler’s framing, of “Partnership,” and “Dominator,” social models, or paradigms. She takes us into the prehistoric, pre-war world of the Near East and Old Europe and introduces us to the Goddess, the original monotheism. There is theory, theirs and mine. Talk about my Neurotype and Autism generally.

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Three, Chapter One

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Eisler shows us the Paleolithic and Neolithic world, with dates, making the case that for a long time there is no evidence of the life of conflict we have come to think of as the original state of affairs. They speak of life and life giving – and I spend most of this entry trying to make the case that all that means evolution, aboriginal, forever knowledge of evolution, that this knowledge is the crucial thing that was lost when the disasters happened and everything changed.

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Four, Chapter Two

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More of the Goddess and the art, and Eisler pointing out the patriarchal sort of errors that suffuse the archaeology world, how since Babylon, it’s all looked back at incorrectly, through modern, violent, patriarchal eyes. Eisler talks about choosing social models and I talk about choosing not to spank, saying that spanked people don’t really choose their social models, and also Neurotype, that not everyone is offered the same choices. My theory that if you don’t spank a born Dominator, they’ll have more options.

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Five, Chapter Three

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The beauty and mystery of Minoan civilization on Crete, Eisler talks about the art and the lack of fortifications – Crete was where the old world lasted longest, and this is a mystery in the normal world of Allistic science and history. I try to solve it, there is some theory, speculation about how the Minoans could have avoided the Spanking Gene, or that if they didn’t, perhaps they nonetheless didn’t activate it, per my epigenetics idea.

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Six, Chapter Four

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More about the end of Crete, the Bronze age collapse, before we go back to the Neolithic collapse under the invaders during the fifth and sixth millennia BCE. Eisler busts the usual explanations for why things turned to fairly constant war, the “increased population in the cities,” the “improved weaponry,” of the Copper and Bronze ages and replaces them with the invasions and the culture the invaders brought with them, and of course, I adjust “culture,” for “genetics.”

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Seven, Chapter Five

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Eisler spends this one on Systems and Change theories, Chaos theory to explain the extreme social change. I spend some arguing, trying to make a case about genes and evolution, arguing with the very idea of “cultural evolution.”

I spend some time trying parse it and “social models,” and make the case that the “treatment,” of Autistic children proves the existence of the Spanking Gene, that a lack of a normal response to spanking is considered pathological.

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Eight, Chapter Six

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Here Eisler uses the Greek plays, the Oresteia to show us how the old ways were so high handedly replaced, in the plays, the gods decide Orestes is innocent of murdering his own mother, because motherhood isn’t a thing anymore. Eisler’s point is this lie is forced in this public way – mine is that to believe that lie, you need a different sort of a brain. There is a lot about women being forced out of every position of power in society.

I spend time trying to apply some broad genetics to the invasions and the millennia following them, advancing a theory of genetic drift, with more than one vector, the immediate slaughter of competing genes, as well as the ongoing growth of the gene within the affected population from the environmental pressure of spanking and law.

I spend some time trying to triangulate a true starting point for it all.

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Nine, Chapter Seven

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Eisler continues about the erasure of the Goddess and the old world, moving from Greece to Palestine and the Bible and I spend some more time pondering the Hebrew conquests and the Biblical rules about women and breeding, making my guesses about what they mean about what the Dominator sort seems to understand about genes and evolution, noting some tension between isolationist warrior societies and a gene that simply wants to be everywhere.

Then I talk about creation myths and note the odd truth that the Hebrew invaders count themselves to have been created during the period where we see the sudden rise of violence as religion in the archaeological record, and if we allow for a gene and maybe a Neurotype, we can literally agree.

Eisler says that after multiple edits, that in modern times, the only mere mortal in the Christian Pantheon is the former Goddess, the Mother of God.

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Ten, Chapter Eight

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Here Eisler starts again about a social model, about society structuring our relationships and I spend some time trying to turn that upside down and say how our relationships form society instead, and that ours is based in the fundamentally broken relationship between parent and child that is spanking.

In terms of history, Eisler shows how much that the modern Dominators credit to Greece for human advancement were really much earlier, old world innovations. I end with some discussion of the philosophers of fascism as simply the exponents and proponents of the Spanking Gene.

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Eleven, Chapter Nine

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Here Eisler tells of the pushback, of repeated Partnership sorts of attempts to change the world, starting that even Greece was better than the slaughter and dark time that preceded it and going to the Christian movements. I suggest that the worst of the modern day warrior sorts seem to declare themselves a separate type of human and differentiate themselves from the people they abuse by saying the abused are “suited for it.” That the language of supremacy itself betrays that they have a sort of Neurodiversity theory too.

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Twelve, Chapter Ten

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Eisler shows a pattern, that as a society moves towards war, that it attacks its own, the women, the partnership sorts, that we see waves of social misogyny, followed by some bloody war, again and again. I argue with their explanation as always, but I too see a pattern of people simply getting worse and worse with each other – beginning with spanking and police – until some massive social meltdown, a war or a world war.

Same pattern, almost the same causes, but one detail, children, and the epigenetics of spanking never does make it into modern, normal people’s thinking.

Next I spend some time trying to show that much of what we see as political lying and gaslighting likely comes down to neurotype, one type’s lie is another type’s best guess, making examples of the capitalist’s inability to correctly describe the communism they despise. I repeat some stuff about spanking, more theory.

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Thirteen, Chapter Eleven

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Here we are almost home in the modern age, starting with the European Enlightenment (by the Turtle Islanders, per The Dawn of Everything), and suggesting that a fine task for us today would be to compete that job, the enlightenment, carry any momentum it had for Partnership forward. For my part, I try to apply the same genetic ideas to this Age of European expansion that I tried to with the previous events.

I have an argument abut education, that you can’t just teach people anything, it has to match their genes and their brains, their types, and that the arc of society does not follow what the teachers teach, it only follows their methods, which are an environment of abuse that causes adaptations that make some sorts of ideas more likely than others. There is more theory about Neurotype, and a few more theories based in my Divergence, from conservatism, to freedom fighting, to whether feminists spank.

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Fourteen, Chapter Twelve

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Eisler lists some fears of future dystopia scenarios, should we not turn things around – and I bust the idea as fantasies of the Spanking Gene, that no such control is possible in the real world where people do not remain constant but are forever adapting and changing, and as an example, such attempts at nightmarish control in the last century are what we now call a century of simply chaos and war that no-one is claiming to have had any control over.

We do not discuss overpopulation.

I offer a simple, logical argument about the logic of spanking and punishment. Eisler mentions “the power of myth,” and I add the caveat that this power is dependent on there being a resonant string in your brain, that brains make myths, myths don’t make brains.

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Fifteen, Chapter Thirteen

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Winding down. Here at the end of their book, Eisler is reiterating things, and I reiterate some of my arguments. Some visionary is quoted about a “new consciousness,” and I complain that it’s hardly the point, that the whole book says we want the old consciousness back, not another new mistake.

30th., Anniversary Epilogue

Thirty years later, when it says, “male female relations,” in this portion, it also says, “and parent-child relations,” as well, and there is even a meta sort of remark I like very much, about how the political Right is smart to focus on parents and children – even if they have it all wrong by my tastes – while the pseudo “Left,” is top down – like social science or something.

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Sixteen, Diagnosis and the Prescription

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Since this section is already a summary in every book, I’m just leaving the excerpt in place. It really is the point.

“This is a thing I believe, and I think this is all science that brings me to believe it, that if we somehow managed to stop making our own environment a social Hell, it wouldn’t be one anymore, it would change, because we would change. If we grokked evolution, and sought better environments, rather than building nightmares to “deter,” something, we would be happily living in those better environs already.”

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Jeff

Aug. 28th., 2024

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The Spanking Gene Sixteen

The Spanking Gene

or

The Autistic and the Blade Sixteen

Diagnosis and the Prescription

“The Diagnosis”

Since this section is already a summary in every book, I’m just leaving the excerpt in place. It really is the point.

“This is a thing I believe, and I think this is all science that brings me to believe it, that if we somehow managed to stop making our own environment a social Hell, it wouldn’t be one anymore, it would change, because we would change. If we grokked evolution, and sought better environments, rather than building nightmares to “deter,” something, we would be happily living in those better environs already.”

A fatal mutation, probably no older than ten thousand years, maybe only seven thousand even, and it is maybe over, I mean things are not looking good on the home planet. The very mindset that has destroyed the Earth for its conflicts and competition is in charge and not only not healing itself, it is actively suppressing every other sort of a mind, pathologizing diversity, which is life, only that. It tends to conformism instead, apparently determined to bring this thing to its logical end as quickly as possible.

It doesn’t seem we’ll ever know how it began, but it’s an aggressive gene or several, making its way through the human species by force since somewhere between seven and ten thousand years ago.

Parts of the New World, of the Americas seemed to have avoided it, or the full version of it until the Europeans found them, it seems the culture there follows a different pattern, perhaps less peaceful than we see Old Europe in places and times, but vast areas appear to never have simply turned full Dominator forever like it seems happened in Eurasia.

I never said, I suppose I had better, that it seems WEIRD (White, English, etc., I forget the rest, knowledge for the ruling race and religion, is the idea, here in America and Canada) that I’m focussed only on Europe and their New World, but Asia, India and China, Africa, I think these are all as written for the near east, these areas fell to the same waves as Europe and the near east, didn’t they? Perhaps great swathes of Africa and Asia are on the same schedule as the Americas, only under pressure since Europe stepped up their efforts at pushing the drift, I suppose this is true also even of the arctic, like Siberia? Ah, Australia would be part of the most recent attack too, of course.

Genetic drift is a near impossible puzzle, we have locked it up and swallowed the key. It’s a metapuzzle. The addict does not want to change; they are certain it’s their survival. If they don’t discipline their kids, they won’t be “strong,” enough to succeed and survive – but if they do, the kids won’t grok evolution and they won’t mind the Dominator lifestyle, for the most part, ninety percent of them.

I go too far, but you get it. I’ve edited four times, to say it so badly and apologize afterwards is the best I got, I’m afraid.

It’s not a loss for the normal people if we solve the problem of them. I know they seem to think so, but they are driving this bus straight off the cliff like no lemming would ever dream of (this bit of nature propaganda was surely Allistic/Dominator projection-as-science, same as “Alpha” wolves), this is what they are afraid to lose, this “control,” to drive off the cliff. OMG, Ha –

It’s the one about asking a person to understand what they’re paid not to again, isn’t it? We know we’re going over, but if we let someone else drive the bus we’re sure to lose our job.

Autistic, I see a plummet coming, but they seem to be excited about getting airtime. How dare you talk about pumping the brakes, say the new “leaders.” Like the coming trouble is a fight and if they go in hot, they can win. When you’re living with the Spanking Gene, every problem is a fight, it’s sort of the only language there is.

That’s on Aristotle’s list, isn’t it?

Let’s talk about “Human Nature.” It’s not what you think.

Nothing about being human is sitting still, it is not a created world where anything has a simple Platonic “Nature,” and things stay the same. It is evolution, this world, not “Natures.” If in some sense, you feel you have a “Nature,” well, One, it’s yours, as temporary as you are, and even more so for some people who have experiences that change them deeply from psychic ones to brain injuries. In evolution normally though, your Nature is not your parents’ Nature, but your own, we change.

Two, mostly what people mean by a shared “Human Nature,” is Neurotype.

Your Nature is how you think, right, not how you walk, or eat. Your “Nature,” is your Neurotype, and mostly, “Human Nature” is Allism, complete with the Spanking Gene; much of humanity shares a version of it, but not all.

The Human Nature in all the books and movies and TV and philosophy – all this. Autistics all at some point think of themselves as not human because of this, because we hear about Human Nature everywhere and always but we look inside and it is not there, despite we surely have some “Nature,” and we are absolutely no other species but human.

Not kidding.

I have an Autistic Nature.

Most folks have an Allistic one, we think, but this is more of a social fact than a scientific one, still, for the most part, we think they are what’s Neurotypical, we assume they are in the majority today, some think a super-majority, like ninety percent, and it seems to be true – but they haven’t really been defined, Allists.

The definition is “typical,” again, we think they are, and “not Autistic,” and OK, but don’t they have their own “istic?” I think my desk is also not Autistic, but surely Allism doesn’t mean you’re a desk? I’m only saying, we’ll have a better idea of how many of us are Allistic when we say what it is, what it means – which, it must be clear by now what I think, it means genetically Dominator, carrying some version of the human warrior genes, purpose built for a fight and struggling to calm itself.

I know I said, “same as my Dad,” but I am surely not identical, we grew up in different environments and I’m half Mom – so “an,” Autistic Nature is what I have.

I don’t know we’re all the same, we Autistics, we don’t say we are, most of us. That’s an Allistic meme, We are All the Same. They have differences too – but Neurotypes share a lot, personal histories and evolutions aside, the Allists mostly share the All the Same meme, it’s one of the traits, it seems to me. Makes the rest of us sort of invisible to them, and again, these are not written in stone, these types: spanking does this, spanking makes people invisible to people.

Types just means it works better on some than others, and again, types grow and fade, all is in motion in the un-created real world.

But the point is, “Natures,” are much smaller than people think, barely a lifetime in duration and everyone’s is not the same, and it’s not your soul, it’s just your brain. The world is evolution, all is in motion. In Partnership mode, we wouldn’t think “oh, they are just like that, Human Nature,” we would ask, what made them this way, where did THIS “Nature,” come from?

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Diagnosis and the Prescription

“The Prognosis”

Honestly, I am feeling pretty negative. We are already so far down the road of How did this happen and Shut up and drive the bus already that it’s hard to imagine why they wouldn’t have changed something already if they possibly ever could.

Like I said, my fear is that some few crawl out of the coming apocalypse to start again, but they are Dominators and start the same thing again. My mad dream is to leave them a roadmap, if any survive who can read it, this philosophy here.

If, however. If somehow the ones crawling out of the wreckage are Partnership sorts, then it would be another “start,” like the one that never happened, the one that simply came down out the trees to retrieve a dropped fruit, not to try to become the lion or something.

If, however.

If, if, somehow, some way, the reverse of the original disaster that happened somewhere between Gobekli Tepe and the “Kurgan,” cultures happened, if somehow there was some unimaginable set of circumstances that caused people to stop with the spanking and the whole human cult of punishment, like the above, the last few just happened to be Partnership sorts, some situation like the poisoning that took out Sapolsky’s troop of baboons’ alphas and left the group altered and peacefully bonding going forward for some time, if something like that should happen – then magic.

We could be back in the arms of the Goddess, back in the garden.

This is a thing I believe, and I think this is all science that brings me to believe it, that if we somehow managed to stop making our own environment a social Hell, it wouldn’t be one anymore, it would change, because we would change. If we grokked evolution, and sought better environments, rather than building nightmares to “deter,” something, we would be happily living in those better environs already.

I am curious to hear if that makes sense to anybody, if anyone from either side of the gene thinks that makes sense, that when a creature starts making their own environments, they are likely to adapt to them and wind up in some spiral of modifying their environment and adapting to it and modifying it again from their new “Natures,” ad infinitum. I mean, it’s a bit meta, as the kids say, but also sort of obvious, isn’t it?

I mean, you wouldn’t do it if you knew you adapted every time – but if you stopped believing in evolutionary change and kept on modifying your environment, then you would be in real trouble, wouldn’t you? I’m sorry to tell you, it’s not even just the religious ones, some static, “Human Nature,” rules the science too.

Again, it doesn’t bother people, somehow, despite we are living in the bad side of it, and if we saw it the other way, things could spiral out of control in the other direction – towards peace and sustainability and happiness. It is a strange proof of hope, our self created Hell on Earth, what’s the meme, a self created Hell presupposes a self created Heaven? It really does, or it does to my mind at least.

To put it another way, who could have bet, between the beginning of time and ten thousand years ago that some ape could kill a whole planet all by itself? Nobody, that’s who! And look at us!

Literally anything is possible in evolution.

People reject evolution, insist upon using bad to make good in the form of deterrents and punishments and cannot seem to make the connection between that bad self created environment and this bad old human being that wants to be a billionaire, it’s amazing to this Autist, how we can be so . . . disabled. But that’s Neurotype, some mix of super abilities, plain abilities and disabilities.

The irony can’t get any deeper than the death of a planet, can it, that we have the power to self create, and we’re using it, but we don’t think we have the power and so we don’t use it for good. Also, there is no other sort of creation, self creation is all there is, so this debilitating mindset was also self created, somehow, like I say: we sort of threw away the key, but again, nothing is created, nothing is static, that is merely another level of complexity, and we could regrow the key.

But we do have to, it’s what’s not viable, you can’t fight evolution and thrive, not for long.

Humans are able to set up their own little perceptual “environments,” and live quite unnaturally within them, providing their own artificial feedbacks, reinforcements and hazards within these manufactured spaces of perhaps cultural evolution but definitely of social constructions and of rules, of law and punishments – but they lose the feedback of the real world in the process, and this again, is what is not actually viable. Seven to ten thousand years is perhaps a long time for an unworkable adaptation, but you have to give us credit, we’re not just taking ourselves out here.

It’s a bloody short time in which to take everything out, probably, wouldn’t you think? Much of the world is paying for our borrowing from reality this way before we have to, but every one of them makes our ultimate payment nearer and more certain.

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Diagnosis and the Prescription

“The Prescription”

I can’t be the first in what, thirty seven years to want to switch feminists from worrying about women to worrying about children, surely? But I suspect I’m first one with such an elaborate argument about it, aren’t I?

I’ve tried telling people they oughtn’t spank; that’s no plan, me running around telling people, telling parents. It’s actually harmful, more often than not, the gene has a defense mechanism, that when you complain about it to parents, the kids get it harder next time.

Like I said somewhere, you need a lot to know why, and there’s just too much. I’ve scaled back my dreams of this from talking to everyone, parents, to trying to reach my fellow Autistics with it – and maybe the priestly elites of the secular Word, some of which are surely Divergent sorts and might hear something in it others won’t. Of course that’s not a safe place to put anything in such times either, and they are already being controlled or supressed. But you have to put it out there, every person it reaches is another chance for it to somehow survive and propagate. In the next cycle, if there is one.

That’s my plan, to tell science, sort of, tell the teachers, let them try to tell people.

Plus, I have high toned ideas about how having the moral high ground is not meaningful to someone like Nietzsche, for whom the pit of Hell is the ultimate moral high ground and that we need for Partnership to take the SCIENTIFIC high ground, to be the default, for Partnership to be “Human Nature,” not some temporary intervention between ourselves and the Allistic “Human Nature.” As it was during most of our existence, as it still is for some.

This means to understand kindness, and to demand an explanation for violence instead, the Search for Why Cruelty, instead of the supposed Search for Altruism, like they’ve never seen it or something.

But, hey, Neurotype, they don’t see it, that’s the point.

Just because many can’t hear me doesn’t mean that any plan that doesn’t involve not spanking is ever going to work either, mind you. Interestingly, that’s a feature of spanking, it happens anyway when nothing was ever going to “work.”

I mean, I got nuthin’, same as everybody else, something Needs to Happen that isn’t Happening. For me, it’s that the Allistic somehow needs to see their self in motion, in evolution, and I know, mine is as rainbows and lollipops as everyone else’s. It’s a very short loop: if they stopped spanking, they could see it; if they could see it, they’d stop spanking, I think. Probably not all of that in the first generation, either, but the epigenetic factor ought to be dramatic immediately too.

If, if, if.

The only thing, free with all utopian ideas, always there for the desperate, is that nothing happens that no-one was able to think of first, that just thinking it is always the first step, and we’re doing that now, you and I, if I managed to pull you along some. If I have this framing right, and if it’s better, and some people think it, what else can we do, that’s how things begin, tiny, fragile, and hopeless. I mean things that aren’t violence, that’s how GOOD things begin.

Really, all I would change, is focus on the children and stop the epigenetic change. Nothing you say or do about adults is going to have any real effect if we do not change that. So we’re back to education, trying to talk the “Parental Rights,” people out of their religion that tells them to beat the children, we are full circle, back to the pointlessness, same as everybody else, all I have is if, if, if.

Still, just because many can’t hear me doesn’t mean that any plan that doesn’t involve not spanking is ever going to work either, mind you. It’s still the only plan.

I honestly thought I was so different that it might be different, that I might succeed where every other mind in history has failed, in giving humanity a plan, a way forward, but I’m not that special, not the only one, there are many of us and there always were and many of us Autistics have tried before too, of course. I mean, I’m still not just giving it up to “Human Nature,” so it was a better try than some, not pride, I lived during the very peak of human knowledge, it was all there for someone who couldn’t be told how to read it, for the ultimate contrarian, for someone who looked inside and didn’t see the Human Nature they all talk about in the first place.

But we’re still here. Same as that Allistic warrior mode still requires the epigenetic on switch, that fact alone is a bit of real, physical hope. What’s that, two tiny attractors for hope? No, three, there is the on switch, the continued existence of Partnership genes, and there is this bit of speculation, that if this is real knowledge, or as close to real knowledge for Autistics as Allistic knowledge is as close to real knowledge for them, and it works for anyone, that changes the world slightly.

Still weak, I know.

What do you want, a call to arms? That would be Donald Sutherland at the end of the movie, only a happy ending for the invader.

Weak is the Partnership way; strength is the road to Hell.

That’s the first thing.

But the second thing is that those three weak things seem to have been what the Minoans knew and it stopped their world from turning full, fatal Dominator for more than a millennium, for what, seventy-five generations while fully under attack by Spanking Gene the whole time, surrounded by it. So they’re not nothing.

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Jeff

Aug. 24th., 2024

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The Spanking Gene Fifteen

The Spanking Gene

or

The Autistic and the Blade Fifteen

Winding down. Here at the end of their book, Eisler is reiterating things, and I reiterate some of my arguments. Some visionary is quoted about a “new consciousness,” and I complain that it’s hardly the point, that the whole book says we want the old consciousness back, not another new mistake.

Chapter Thirteen

Breakthrough in Evolution: Toward a Partnership Future

This is the final chapter in the original book, and it’s more of the trouble and their vision for the future, what would change if we could make the move, I guess. It begins by complaining that the big science fiction visions were technical versions of medieval societies, like Dune and Star Wars, and of course I agree, I was so angry at Star Wars, I . . . well, I still am. But I bet they could find some science and speculative fiction of a more social variety now, she already invoke Le Guin earlier and there are more, I know that much, but I haven’t kept up myself.

They suggest that the few Partnership sorts of speculative novels are the all women planets, which, fair enough. Then they remind us that it’s not about your gender, that both sexes are capable of very different behaviours and lives, and I just need to tweak, that yes, but not all people are capable of everything, that there are meaningful divisions about who is prone to think what sorts of thoughts, and gender may have some of that, but so do genes, so does Neurotype.

You know, just we are not All the Same. That is a Dominator meme, We Are All the Same, I think I said once, and it isn’t helpful for Partnership goals. There is mention again, I suppose this is the fourth time, telling us what they told us, of, “ . . . the direction, not of our biological evolution, but of our cultural evolution.” And fourth time for me too, I guess: no.

It really is our biological evolution we need to realize. The “culture,” grows out of that. They ask, How do we get there, but they are asking about a purely cultural change, apparently, so I cannot answer that and I’m losing interest in their answers.

It’s “just a theory,” to me.

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Chapter Thirteen

Breakthrough in Evolution: Toward a Partnership Future

“A New View of Reality”

“ . . . the next step . . .” again, evolution is not the army, it doesn’t really take steps, and that sounds like moving forward instead of back, and you can’t say, “moving forward,” to these Dominators, they will go to the closet for their guns, frankly I don’t understand all the “next step,” talk, and the “new consciousness,” noise, wasn’t the whole point of this book that we want the old one back?

That’s what’s required, not marching onward, that’s the Spanking Gene talking, never mind your past, keep moving forward! No, let’s go back, back to when things were fine the way they were and we didn’t need to go anywhere, when we weren’t some herd being driven who knows where, understanding only, Forward!

I’m afraid we’re almost done, I’ve nothing for the rest of this section or the next two sections either.

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Chapter Thirteen

Breakthrough in Evolution: Toward a Partnership Future

“Transformation”

Here we start to see the word, “children,” at last a few times, and there is mention on a list of problems of, “child battering,” but this choice of words sets my alarms off, battering is very specific and legal, and it seems to exempt “spanking,” as a problem by its mention. Ah, Eisler’s vision, on the second last page of a world where all people are involved and concerned about the care of children is lovely, that is absolutely part of my vision also – but it has to be the beginning, not the carrot on a stick at the end.

Special 30th Anniversary Epilogue

Alright, this is better, I have nothing but checkmarks in the opening and in the first three whole sections, clearly Eisler in 2007 has moved along with the rest of us and everywhere they say, “male female relations,” in this portion, it also says, “and parent-child relations,” as well.

There is mention of “punitive families,” and even of the strict methods of American Christians. Of course I approve. Of the mention, not of the methods.

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Special 30th Anniversary Epilogue

Thirty years later, when it says, “male female relations,” in this portion, it also says, “and parent-child relations,” as well, and there is even a meta sort of remark I like very much, about how the political Right is smart to focus on parents and children – even if they have it all wrong by my tastes – while the pseudo “Left,” is top down – like social science or something.

“The Urgent Need for an Integrated partnership Political Agenda”

I agree with the heading, and I have a paragraph circled where they say the political Right has an integrated agenda, and smartly focuses on the family and family relations and is therefore winning the propaganda war, while they say the opposition seems to focus on the social structure top down, and my goodness, has Eisler come all the way to my side in those thirty years?

I don’t think quite all the way, but that is a fundamental shift, and I’m shocked and happy to see it, wow. Like they heard me, LOL.

Not quite all the way, because if I wrote that paragraph, you could fairly accuse me of saying that the Right beats their children harder than the opposition, so things keep going their direction. I mean, that the opposition still beats their at all is equally causative, or even more causative.

There is a final section about Eisler’s life and work, some fan appreciation, and yes, well done and well lived, Doctor, thank you for your service.

OK, So I have a “conclusions” chapter of my own going, and my whole plan has changed and I’m going to go back to the start and rewrite, replacing the first twenty-three posts in the thread as I rewrite, but I suppose I’ll throw what I have for conclusions at this thread first. Next up, Jeff’s conclusions.

Jeff

Aug. 16th., 2024

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The Spanking Gene Fourteen

The Spanking Gene

or

The Autistic and the Blade Fourteen

Eisler lists some fears of future dystopia scenarios, should we not turn things around – and I bust the idea as fantasies of the Spanking Gene, that no such control is possible in the real world where people do not remain constant but are forever adapting and changing, and as an example, such attempts at nightmarish control in the last century are what we now call a century of simply chaos and war that no-one is claiming to have had any control over.

We do not discuss overpopulation. I offer a simple, logical argument about the logic of spanking and punishment. Eisler mentions “the power of myth,” and I add the caveat that this power is dependent on there being a resonant string in your brain, that brains make myths, myths don’t make brains.

Chapter Twelve

The Breakdown of Evolution: A Dominator Future

This chapter seems to be more dire futurism, it opens with telling one Norbert Weiner’s vision of insect societies and says that we will not enjoy being stuck in our castes and functions but that this seems to be where Dominator society is taking us, and I think it’s an out of date image, ants aren’t maybe mindless for all of that and caste perhaps means something like Neurotype, something evolved for, not something forced on them.

But also, about the warnings of an insect-like, mechanical society – it’s time for another theory from the Divergent Side, another me only one: about how dystopian dreams are fantasies, because again, evolution. No sci-fi, stable dystopia is coming, because the pressures that are required to make that happen change people continually, these fears of frozen totalitarian states are nonsense, no such stability, good or bad can ever be achieved because the people change under torture and from delivering torture, it doesn’t stop, evolution doesn’t stop if the stressors don’t stop.

What you get is mass meltdowns, probably a war. Didn’t the people in the same clothes think that was what they were doing last century? THAT’S what happens. I think it’s the same cycle Eisler talks about, the anti-woman propaganda then a war, and the same failure: they don’t get what they’re aiming at, the “control,” they just get a meltdown.

Again, the Dominator’s faith in their methods is erroneous and this fear is a part of it. Control is a Dominator myth, while the utter loss of it seems to be the reality of the Spanking Gene.

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Chapter Twelve

The Breakdown of Evolution: A Dominator Future

“The Insoluble Problems”

Of course we would be doing well to thrive as long and as well as ants have, and Weiner’s talk of how it’s mindless for them, but not for us is silly, just more of the nineteenth century “rational man,” nonsense. Good Lady, this sentence: By contrast, we humans can if necessary change our patterns of behaviour very fast, even instantly, BY USING OUR VASTLY SUPERIOR MINDS.

I’m sorry, pausing to laugh, then cry. I’ll be back in a minute.

Has our fellow ever MET humans?

Eisler continues that to do so however requires that we perceive the feedback, interpret it correctly, and then actually use the data to make a change, all of which, sorry, still crying a little. But the very first thing, each step really, is a matter of genetics and Neurotype, mostly the first thing, perception. It’s your brain that decides what you can or cannot perceive, and you can’t tell people what to perceive.

This section then goes on to a thing still in fashion at the time, overpopulation and population, “control.” People have in this millennia decided that it is no longer cool to talk about it, because it only means genocide, and I’ve never been entirely convinced either way, but a few things:

First, some have said it is exactly the threat of hunger and of war and genocide that causes people to breed like rabbits, that we outbreed threats, or try to. Certainly that is what the nations outlawing contraception and abortion are trying to do, breed their way to dominance, as a response to stress and competition (sure, from each other).

Second, whether it was right or wrong to talk about it before, we are not going to engage with “overpopulation,” in the middle of a global culling plague, are we? No, we are bloody not. Someone is already working on that, so to speak.

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Chapter Twelve

The Breakdown of Evolution: A Dominator Future

“Human Issues and Women’s Issues”

Meh, I got nuthin’, I mean nothing new. Children’s issues, even more so, because of the epigenetic thing, but of course. The issues of the “least of us,” are human issues, all of our issues. We are nearing the end of the Chalice and Eisler is reiterating what they’ve told us already – and I fear I’m running out of corrections to make.

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Chapter Twelve

The Breakdown of Evolution: A Dominator Future

“The Totalitarian Solution”

I’m sorry, same as the last one, I mean, the same, or I have to write you another Divergent theory, the Punishment Cult, and the logical reversal, and I don’t want to, so I’m going to do it really quickly and poorly.

Punishment is a little bad for a greater good, bad for good – it’s a reversal, a logical reversal, and your brain wants to drop it, but we are not allowed, it is literally forced upon us, the logical reversal, and then these two forms of “logic,” exist in conflict and the new one using force, changes the environment in favour of itself and grows until the old logic, that good is good, is forced out.

This is drift, whether it is genetic or not, the force. But it is genetic.

Eventually, in the mind, and in society, bad is the new good, and there is no will and no money for anything but bad, punishments and deterrents. Feeding people is not bad, so by the logic of the Punishment Cult, no good can come of it, only pain and deterrents can control us, this is the Punishment Cult. They are passing laws in America against giving people food and water and this is not irony, this is happening.

This is how we can even speak about a totalitarian “solution,” because where bad is the only good, death is a “solution,” and we are again, right back with the “Kurgan” chieftains. Punishment takes you there. Ironically, perhaps, it is the grownups, the authorities who drive us to this violent nihilist evolution, not some criminal element, always: those who would “control,” our evolution de-evolve first, and take the rest of us with them, for the simple evolutionary reason that the “deterrent,” they offer the “criminals,” is their own life, their own real environment, and it shapes them.

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Chapter Twelve

The Breakdown of Evolution: A Dominator Future

“New Realities and Old Myths”

As the example of modern totalitarianism, they’re talking about Nazis, and their propaganda, the symbolism. They mention the “power of myth,” and again, no, this is top down, what power has a myth got if it isn’t a match for your brain? Propaganda pulls you along by the stuff already in your brain, it doesn’t rewrite you. Myths are not social models, they are expressions of Neurotype, expressions of the brain.

I didn’t think that was something from biology, isn’t that Jung?

Not sure how my social scientists missed that. At the end, they mention the Dominator’s weird faith in the blade, in their violence to fix anything, like it ought to be bizarre that a world war is entered into as a “solution,” for anything, I always thought violence was the scourge of this nasty old world, it’s very alienating to see people thinking the opposite. But I have an idea about the faith, it’s a policy, and the faith is based in the stuff I’m on about, the genetics, the epigenetics, that even if the obvious problems are not fixed, or even get worse, we all “got stronger,” or something, for “next time,” or something.

Jeff

Aug. 16th., 2024

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