Rikard

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Greenpeace International3d ago

BREAKING: Greenpeace International begins groundbreaking anti-SLAPP case to protect freedom of speech

“Energy Transfer’s attack on our right to protest is an attack on everyone’s free speech." —Greenpeace International Executive Director Mads Christensen

https://www.greenpeace.org/international/press-release/76511/greenpeace-international-anti-slapp-eu-lawsuit-energy-transfer

Greenpeace International begins groundbreaking Anti-SLAPP case to protect freedom of speech - Greenpeace International

In a first, landmark test case of the EU's new legislation to protect freedom of expression and stop abusive lawsuits, Greenpeace International challenges the US oil pipeline company, Energy Transfer, in court in the Netherlands.

Greenpeace International
Show threadRikard3d ago
@ThreeOhFour Yes! It'd be interesting to try and make a game using only those verbs
RikardJun 23
Greenpeace InternationalJun 23

You spill someone’s drink, you buy them another.

You break a window, you pay for it.

Let’s make that true for oil and gas corporations.

Sign the Polluters Pay Pact today 👉 https://act.gp/3FccTES

#MakePollutersPay

RikardMay 29
nixCraft 🐧May 29
10 MB hard disk from the 1960's
Show threadRikardMay 21
@Tutanota Possible, certainly. Not difficult? I'm not convinced.
RikardMay 14

Tonight I've (among other things) been rehearsing Mary on a Cross by Ghost in a woodwind quintet consisting of a recorder, two flutes, clarinet and bassoon. The arrangement is very well done, so it works!

I'm very much looking forward to our concert on Sunday. It should be a highlight of the year. (Besides playing in this quintet, I'll also be leading a big band.)

Show threadRikardMay 14
@alex Is that why it beats rock?
Show threadRikardMay 13
@FrChazzz @heidilifeldman It's nice to hear about a church acting decent. Usually when I hear about an American church, it's for the opposite reason.
Show threadRikardMay 10
@rrrrroseazerty Before rock, there was blues.
Show threadRikardMay 6
@mvsde @fimion Ooh, a webring
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Greenpeace InternationalJun 23

You spill someone’s drink, you buy them another.

You break a window, you pay for it.

Let’s make that true for oil and gas corporations.

Sign the Polluters Pay Pact today 👉 https://act.gp/3FccTES

#MakePollutersPay

Show threadAustrianJun 23
@greenpeace Bad logic. Corporations produce oil and gas for consumers, not for themselves. If people refuse to buy these goods, oil and gas will not be produced. It is people who wreck the climate.
Show threadAndreas KJun 23
@praustrian @greenpeace Besides, if you break a window, you don't pay for fixing the window, you lawyer up. Especially if the window would ruin your business model.
Show threadAndreas KJun 23

@praustrian @greenpeace Besides, even if you restrict it directly to oil and gas exploration and production that's an industry that has a daily revenue of over $11b. Even a tiny part of that buys a surprising number of politicians and media.

If you add all the associated industries that live from fossil energy, that number doubles.

Show threadWhy We Went ExtinctJun 23

@praustrian @greenpeace that is also a model of responsibility. To me it implies that everyone has equal 'guilt' and feels the consequences equally.

However, most consumers of oil/gas have no incentive to buy less:
- big users have the most to gain and the least to lose.
- they are not well informed of the consequences.
- 'if my neighbor does it, why shouldn't I?' -> 'I only will use less if everyone is using less' -> uniform laws / penalties (which to me you seem to not be in support of)

Show threadWhy We Went ExtinctJun 23

@praustrian @greenpeace on the other hand, letting big companies pay seems appropriate:

it is fair: a big part of their profit comes from letting others pay (tax payers who need to pay to clean up / climate and drilling victims) for the consequences.

It is effective:
- it will reduce their profits, which reduces the incentive to invest in them
- and/or increases the price of oil/gas which is an incentive to buy less
- it taxes a multinational so it might have cross border impact

Show threadAustrianJun 23
@why_we_went_extinct
A minority cannot force/punish a majority. But even if a minority becomes a majority, it has no right to force a minority. Only persuasion. The climate problem, frankly speaking, has no solution.
@greenpeace
Show threadWhy We Went ExtinctJun 23

@praustrian @greenpeace I think that sentence is too complicated for me. I see the words, but the meaning goes over my head.

But in the off-chance that it implies that a minority is pushing for climate action:

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2024-06-20-80-percent-people-globally-want-stronger-climate-action-governments-according-new

Science seems to say something else.

Also minorities can force/punish majorities. I think history has plenty examples, historically the people with power have been a minority. If you say that they shouldn't, I do agree.

Show threadAylinJun 23
@praustrian @greenpeace It is not for consumers companies produce, but for profit for their shareholders. So if they do not have to take environmental costs into account they offer us only unsustainable products and we have no choice but to use them or go without. What's more we pay through taxes for the environmental costs the companies incurred.
Show threadAustrianJun 23
@AAae
Production exists for consumption. Profit is just a tool to ensure that production goes in the right direction. And you don't understand the problem: the impact of people on nature will always be greater than what they can spend on protecting the environment.
@greenpeace
Show threadAylinJun 23
@praustrian @greenpeace I'm not sure I agree, a lot of clothes end up in landfills never been worn. It's not because people needed those, but the business model that offers cheap clothes in bulk stimulates overconsumption even if the side effect is waste. You can argue that people buy those clothes, but that demand was created by those companies and it was possible because they didn't have to bear the cost of environmental effects.
Show threadAustrianJun 23
@AAae For humanity, a pure free market is the best economic system. For nature, humanity, whether it has a free market or not, is a mortal danger.
Show threadAylinJun 23
@praustrian Again I do not agree unless your definition of the best for humanity is purely materialistic. Also I don't believe a pure free market can exist. It is a utopia. Companies tend to become bigger and become monopolies, unless the state intervenes. In both cases it's not a pure free market.
Show threadAustrianJun 23
@AAae Your economcs is bad. Monopoly prices cannot exist in a pure free market. (In short, a pure free market means that the state, the government, does not interfere in the economy. PFM is not a utopia, but a concept. There is no ideal in human life.)
Show threadtrusty falxter 🧠Jun 23
@praustrian @greenpeace Yes, the solution proposed by the oil companies: shift the responsibility onto the consumer. Has that ever worked before? What are the alternatives for the consumer, apart from ceasing their own existence? In so-called developed countries, you can hardly get below 4-5 tons of CO2 equivalents per year if you have a roof over your head and eat.
Show threadFeyterJun 23

@praustrian @greenpeace No that's actually bad logic, because the corporations don't produce for the consumers. Corporations produce for their own profit from sales.

If my company breaks other people's windows in the process of production (especially if it's because I refused to switch to a less window breaking production pipeline) I have to pay for it. Unless I somehow got permission from the government to break other people's windows because of lobbying.

Show threadAustrianJun 23
@feyter Any production exist only for consumption. Profit (and loss!) is just a tool to ensure that production goes in right direction.
Show threadFeyterJun 23

@praustrian whatever, still corporation have to pay if they break things that they don't own.

If they want they can raise their prices to compensate for it.

Show threadAustrianJun 23
@feyter Producers always want to raise their prices. But consumers don't give them that chance.
Show threadFeyterJun 23
@praustrian because they buy at a different company instead that produces with less climate damage and therefore has to pay less for the damage and can keep prices low, right?
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@praustrian @greenpeace In #Economics it's called #TragedyOfTheCommons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
Tragedy of the commons - Wikipedia

Show threadAustrianJun 23
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ The best solution for humanity is a pure free market. But even that cannot solve the problem of the survival of nature as we know it and in which we are only able to live.
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@praustrian
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@praustrian It depends on your definitions of "Best" and "Success"
Show threadAustrianJun 23
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ There is not a single country in the world today that has a truly free market. Because, first of all, they all have their own central banks. A central bank is a government agency whose goal is to interfere with the market. This is #statism.
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@praustrian You are partially right.
Show threadAustrianJun 23
@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ I think that I completely right, not just partly. Read Mises and Rothbard if you want to know true economics.
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@praustrian I have. You are like my cousins. I call them #InchDeepLibertarians
Show thread-0--1-Jun 23
@praustrian They have skimmed two books and think they know shit.
Show thread-0--1-Jun 23
@praustrian They wear Libertarian as a brand like golf buddies wear LaCoste alligators in the clubhouse.
Show thread-0--1-Jun 23
@praustrian I used to be a Libertarian when I was young and had never lived outside the #BubbleOfPrivilege.
Show thread🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣Jun 24

@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ WTF?

In capitalism societies, people litteraly die from poverty, lack of health care and shit food because big companies don't give a flying fuck about contaminated food and still sell it… Not to mention "silicon valley innovation" is the same polluting planned obsolescence and targeted ads surveillance shit

Then capitalism promoters dare to pretend capitalism "reduces poverty and pollution", is "merit-based", and complain about the FDA "preventing innovation"…

@praustrian

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@devnull @praustrian Have you lived in a 3rd World Country? Have you ever lived outside of #TheBubbleOfPrivilege?
Show thread🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣Jun 24

@_9CL7T9k8cjnD_ Wow, amazing…

First you claim capitalism is good in areas where it's doing considerable damage
Then you attack me with without knowing shit about me so you cam claim you care about countries that has mostly been colonized and robbed or destroyed by capitalist countries, implying that their problems are because « they're not capitalist countries »… Not mention the use of racist term "3rd world country"

Typical arrogant rightard troll. You're blocked…

@praustrian

Show threadJBrickelt963 (φ)Jun 23

@greenpeace c'était pas la maxime de notre ancien 1er Ministre #GabrielAttal avec son "respect de l'ordre" à l'école xD ?

Faudrait déjà que les macroniste et tous les autres suivent leurs propres conseils avant de les donner aux autrees !

Show threadAral BalkanJun 23
@greenpeace @trending_bot Wait a minute… if we made the polluters pay, it would no longer be profitable for them to be in business… oh.
Show threadDaughter of DiscordJun 23

@greenpeace

How do they pay back the lives that have been lost due to climate change?

I'm from New Orleans. I lost some friends to Katrina. One drowned and two more committed suicide because they lost hope after losing everything.

How does BP pay that back?

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@greenpeace #MakePollutersPay https://makepolluterspay.net/
Make Polluters Pay

It’s time to make polluters pay for the damage they’ve done.

Make Polluters Pay
Show threadEthicalProfessorJun 23

@greenpeace

With.

Your.

Life.

Not a nice way to think of it, but given the trend in climate change...

Show threadSharon McCarthyJun 23

@greenpeace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRun-tlGhho

Janelle Monáe says it well -
at 1:22 - "You fuck up the kitchen - then you should do the dishes."

Turntables (from the Amazon Original Movie "All In: The Fight for Democracy")

YouTube
Show threadMichael SlatteryJun 23
@greenpeace We could add that if you destroy someone's city you build them another (Gaza)
Show threadGODOT. 🐾Jun 24
@greenpeace 🤝✅✊