RE: https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs/116346848141590494
People like to forget that fighting climate change is about _saving human lives_ and not about saving Earth.
Even if it's 20 degrees higher or 20 degrees lower on average, Earth will do fine, life will do fine, nature will be fine—but humans won't be fine.
@LaChasseuse there were multiple points in the last 500 million years alone when the global temperature was >20ºC than today
before that fluctuations were even more extreme (but life wasn't as highly evolved yet)
(Source: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705)
@LaChasseuse we lost some dinosaurs, birds are still with us.
they’re likely to be the ones which can adapt the easiest by migration; presumably that’s why they’re the only surviving dinosaur theropods
@jmax @LaChasseuse
I would assume that birds also start migrating and relatively quickly evolve new species better adapted.
Some have already started to.
@jmax Both these things were happening in Australia. :-(
@joenash @LaChasseuse people care about neither
many don’t even care when it affects at them personally and directly, like the people whose children are dying from measles and they say “I still wouldn’t have vaccinated my child”
crooked worldviews are a thing that needs to be destroyed, it cannot be argued away
@thomasfuchs I once asked a man who said he wasn't going to make any lifestyle changes due to runaway climate change how he could think about leaving such a world for his children and he said "Well, that will be their problem to solve, not mine."
His own kids, his own grandchildren.
@Wifiwits You hear a lot of crazy stuff when you're out campaigning. But I comfort myself with the knowledge that people often say things like that in an argument/discussion, but they don't really mean it. Not in a real life circumstance. And sometimes opponents go away from a discussion and come round to your way of thinking later.
Speaking for one small American man, I'm so sorry for what this president is doing.
@can Of course they will, but my point is this stuff also happens "naturally"—it's a self-regulating system and will find a new equilibrium with new species, but definitely without us.
Note that any species goes extinct eventually—even if there is no change to the environment.
Didn't George Carlin say something like "The planet is fine, the people are fucked"?
Climate change is gonna cause a lot of needless suffering among human and non-human living things. Up to and including extinction events. But I think we'll end up reducing our own population faster than we can render the planet literally inhospitable to life.
Life, uh, finds a way.
But, yes, this is no excuse to do whatever we can to fight climate change.
@thomasfuchs Ecosystems as we know them will *not* be fine
If you’re happy to celebrate some remaining extremophiles, be my guest, but this is nonsense
Best take on this Ive heard recently is 'Look we really need to stop draining all the fossil fuels because we're making shit way harder for the species that comes about 60 million years after us, okay? They're gonna have to jump straight to nuclear.
@thomasfuchs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H476c8UjLXY We aren't the first species to trigger mass extinction by transforming the atmosphere. And life, uh, finds a way
(But we have the benefit of knowing what we're doing and how to stop it)
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