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Security Writer 
Valve: âWe need a credit card on file to prove youâre 18â
Me: âMy account is 23 years oldâ
Valve: âThat just proves your account is oldâ
Me: âA credit card just proves you know someone with a credit cardâ
Ok this is interesting.
The desktop app has no such restrictions, only mobile.
yetzt@SecurityWriter using a desktop is dating yourself. as an old fart.
Billy Smith
Tim Chase
Kye.br 
@yetzt @SecurityWriter But, itâs steam. How can you play games without a desktop.
Rantanplan
Lightfighter
Wilfried KlaebeSteam Deck?
C++ Wage Slave
GLCand, what's more, over 18.
Nazo@yetzt @SecurityWriter Them's fighting words!
sortius 
@yetzt @SecurityWriter which is funny, because both my kids use computers mostly, not phones.
This explains why my 11 yo daughter has had no problems circumventing the under-16s ban
@sortius maybe being an old fart is more of a vibe, or maybe it's a retro trend like flared pants, that's getting cool again with whatever letter generation eleven year olds are.
Chris OliverOh, good old product silos, still keeping things consistent. /s
Mike Siegel@SecurityWriter my favorite is apps that offer webauthn features on their mobile app, but desktop doesn't offer 2FA? Da fuq? Do they have an actual fucking potato doing their threat modeling?
Viss@SecurityWriter sounds like something to reverse, then build a cracktro for! :D
Martin Seeger@SecurityWriter For some time Valve made me jump through hoops because I had a âstrange email addressâ.
The support told me to use something like gmail. My email address is older than Valve and Google..
Martin@[email protected]
I have a strange email, too. Only two persons have an account on that server. Luckily that was never an issue for Valve. Only Tonline required me to send an email and ask for an manual unblock of my servers IP to be able to send mails to them.
@[email protected]
I have a strange email, too. Only two persons have an account on that server. Luckily that was never an issue for Valve. Only Tonline required me to send an email and ask for an manual unblock of my servers IP to be able to send mails to them.
@[email protected]
Cyber Grimes@martin @masek @SecurityWriter
One of my email aliases is literally just a domain I own, and it gets rejected regularly. What, we aren't allowed to have custom domains now? They going to start enforcing that on companies as well? "Sorry, your techdept(@)google(dot)com email is suspicious, maybe try gmail?" Lol
Lou đłïžââ§ïž@violent_grimes
> What, we aren't allowed to have custom domains now?
The payment processor Mangopay started requiring that "Natural Users" (individuals) use emails from allowed domainsÂč last month. Their justification is that only businesses use custom domains (lol) and that's a different type of object in their systemâŠ
I expect others will pull the same shit.
1: of course, the full list isn't disclosed but includes Gmail, Outlook, France's main Internet access providers, Proton, and Tuta..
@koalou @martin @masek @SecurityWriter
The only way we'll get them to stop this shit is to stop using their services. I'm not delusional enough to think the general public will care at all about this.
Honestly the open source and other tech centered online communities is one of the few things continuing to give me hope right now. We've never given up. Torrent site seized? Lol, new country in the same country chumps! Shitty privacy invasive platform, entirely new platform and/or backdoor to the proprietary one.
They literally can't stop us without cutting it all off, which would stop them as well. Lol
Olivier MehaniRecently started using aliases, and the shit some of these platforms come up with when they want you to use something they can use to mine your data is wild. "Oh, something went wrong. Please try again." Three "tries again" and suddenly their "hinting" gets more blunt, "Maaaaybe you should try a different email address." Lol, nope don't actually need SoundCloud thanks. đđ
@SecurityWriter You can't say meaningful things to bureacracy, even worse to bureacracy created for people control.
BTW even my Steam account dates back to portal creation, λ2
BTW even my Steam account dates back to portal creation, λ2
draeath@luc0x61 @SecurityWriter mine goes back to when steam was a replacement for O.G. HL's multiplayer service, WoN. My account name is an email address itself đ
@draeath @SecurityWriter HL1 was already a game changer for me. I started playing FPS when Doom was on a set of 1.44M floppy disks, and its pseudo-3D gameplay was real magic, running on an i286 below 20MHz clock.
HL brought a real, movie like, story, in 3D gaming. That was amazing, and it still is, if you look beyond the now pixelated screens.
The only other game that brought me adrenaline, even when standing still, is HL:Alyx, played in VR. That leaves speechless.
HL brought a real, movie like, story, in 3D gaming. That was amazing, and it still is, if you look beyond the now pixelated screens.
The only other game that brought me adrenaline, even when standing still, is HL:Alyx, played in VR. That leaves speechless.
Stefan Baur 8 * đ@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter See, now we know you're making this up, because DOOM required an i386 or better âŠ
@farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter Well, you make me doubt of my memories, but I remember that at that division we still had "286 at the time. Quite confident that a guy on the purchasing dept. had a '286 when we played 4 players deathmatch on local Novell IPX network.
Did we already switch to 386? đ€
Did we already switch to 386? đ€
@luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/a4yi5t/original_doom_system_requirements_from_my_25_year/ here's a copy of the original spec thas lists i386 as minimum, i486 as recommended. I seriously doubt a DOS extender would have worked on an i286, anyway âŠ
@farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter Yep, you're right: then we had switched to 386! đ€·ââïž
My memories of three decades ago are disappearing, I'm ready for retirement! đ
My memories of three decades ago are disappearing, I'm ready for retirement! đ
DressToKILT@dresstokilt @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter That's true for latest reimplementations, but the original was only for i386, as said above: clearly my memories on when we switched from i286 to i386 in that department were wrong!
@luc0x61 @dresstokilt @draeath @SecurityWriter See, that's why I'm glad this isn't Twitter - over there, instead of admitting one is wrong, the typical reply would have involved questioning my mother's morale, followed by a block and counter-block. đ€Ș
@luc0x61 @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter my 286 only had a CGA card so I don't think it could have handled it anyway.
@dresstokilt @farbenstau @draeath @SecurityWriter At this point I don't remember what graphics card I had there! I worked in two different places, somewhere we had some scientific setup, otherwise we had plain business machines.
I remember of the site for the Doom DM, with 4 players on the local network. It was also something very new for us. From home we dialled by slow modems, for a point-to-point two players gameplay.
I'd never believe in those times of the 6 Gbps fiber I have at home now!
I remember of the site for the Doom DM, with 4 players on the local network. It was also something very new for us. From home we dialled by slow modems, for a point-to-point two players gameplay.
I'd never believe in those times of the 6 Gbps fiber I have at home now!
@luc0x61 @dresstokilt @draeath @SecurityWriter Consider yourself lucky. I'm stuck at 6-12 (only on a good day) MBit/s via DSL, yes, in 2026.
@farbenstau @dresstokilt @draeath @SecurityWriter I consider myself lucky: another house, 2 km from here, has a 70 Mbps DSL connection on lucky days, when the phone switch isn't flooded. A friend's former house, 30 km from here, had the DSL connection running below 1 Mbps (yes, less than 1000 kbps).
There are areas here where no phone company invests money, even if they're 200 meters from best connectivity.
There are areas here where no phone company invests money, even if they're 200 meters from best connectivity.
Maki đ» đč@RandamuMaki @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter Heh. Actually never tried that back in the days, because possession of that game was illegal in my country back then.
@farbenstau @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter Didn't DOOM ended up getting around that with green blood or something?
@RandamuMaki @luc0x61 @draeath @SecurityWriter The problem wasn't the blood in DOOM, the problem were the Swastikas in Wolfenstein 3D. Back then, computer games weren't considered "art", and thus, unlike movies, they weren't exempt from our "no Nazi symbols allowed" law.
So you could legally own a copy of the Indiana Jones III movie, but not of the corresponding computer game, unless you bought the censored version.
So you could legally own a copy of the Indiana Jones III movie, but not of the corresponding computer game, unless you bought the censored version.
Aron LindegÄrd@luc0x61 @SecurityWriter it's the tech companies pushing for control, it doesn't come from bureaucracy. They want to be able to tell advertisers that real humans are seeing ads, not just bots and AI agents. Bureaucracy just sucked dick and took bribes.
RejZoR@SecurityWriter I still need to constantly input my date of birth before seeing some game pages even though the setting is set in my profile. Wtf?
@rejzor @SecurityWriter I don't remember where it is but there is a setting for that. I managed to turn off age promoting because yeah, rather annoying. Especially when it's for stuff that shouldn't even need it.
chebraThat account is 23 years old, what if it was just passed on to you from someone else?
So what if I go through the age verification and then pass my account on to someone else?
Heals 
@chebra then youâre in violation of Steams EULA and theyâll happily terminate your account for you.
Your Account, including any information pertaining to it (e.g.: contact information, billing information, Account history and Subscriptions, etc.), is strictly personal. You may therefore not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account[âŠ]
/cc @SecurityWriter
@heals Sure, but that's the reason THEY are citing for not accepting your 23 year-old account as enough of a proof. I'm saying they haven't removed this loophole by adding age-verification.
@heals @chebra @SecurityWriter "it's personal" "we tell you how you can use it"
That doesn't sound personal at all.
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@chebra @SecurityWriter their TOS forbid passing on accounts to someone else (even when you die). Thus it's not possible, because you'd obviously violate their TOS. And nobody would do that
@skaverat As if TOS ever stopped anyone. But my point is that in that case they don't need object against those 23 year-old accounts. So either they are accepting the possibility, or they aren't. If that possibility exists, then it will exist also after the new age verification and they can just ask for re-verification one week later with exactly the same reasoning.
retiolus@SecurityWriter The other day, Amazonâwhere Iâve had an account for many years and have always used the same identityâasked me to provide a photo of my ID and a facial scan under the pretext of combating fraud. I filed a complaint with the @cnil .
jtb@SecurityWriter You have to be 18 to have a Paypal account too, although I don't remember proving it.
maia // magmaus3@SecurityWriter meanwhile this one has had a card long before turning 18
sodiboo 
@maia aren't you, like, not British?
Steam requiring a credit card is only in the UK. where people under 18 cannot get a credit card by law. they can have a debit card, but Steam demands specifically a credit card for age verification.
Steam requiring a credit card is only in the UK. where people under 18 cannot get a credit card by law. they can have a debit card, but Steam demands specifically a credit card for age verification.