Mastodawn

@[email protected]Mar 27

I didn't realize the facebook execs Mozilla acqui-hired last year have been promoted! I was assuming they were still just heading the ads division of Mozilla, but oh boy, I fucking wish.

Now the former Senior VP of Marketing of facebook (2008-2022, the finest years of facebook) is the CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER of the entire Mozilla.

And the former VP of Ads in Facebook (2012-2022), is now the Senior VP of Product of Mozilla.

Let me repeat this:

The guy who used to lead the facebook team that was literally "advertising to teenagers based on their emotional state" is now the guy who decides the direction of Firefox as a product. But hey, let's keep giving Mozilla the benefit of the doubt uh? I'm sure these people-who-should-be-on-trial-in-the-hague are going to do great things for the community!

edit: Bradwood has been promoted to Chief Business Officer of the Mozilla Corporation, not Chief Financial Officer, my bad

edit2: as @[email protected] pointed out, even if Graham Mudd's title is "SVP of Product", the bio in his page talks about him as the SVP of Product for the Mozilla Ads division specifically. So it may be the case that he hasn't been promoted and he's just on top of the ad division. That being said, Mozilla doesn't have a Chief Product Officer anymore, and that makes Mudd the most senior product person in the entire Mozilla organization, outranking the VP that seems to be org-wide.

Mozilla Leadership

Mozilla

A cool crab wearing shades Mar 25

@javi 😩

Violet Madder Mar 25

I mean, have people not noticed that Mozilla has been out to destroy everything useful or nice about Firefox for years already?

Artemysia Mar 25

@violetmadder @javi I guess, but we keep making excuses for them. Crikey this is frustrating. Like I get we can't be moral purists and function under capitalism, but these people are absolutely amoral.

Violet Madder Mar 25

They're depraved predators out to ensure that there is NO privacy, freedom, or openness left anywhere.

Nothing functions under capitalism-- or at least not for much longer, anyway.

This is it. Most of us, to a certain degree, have excused their shit as "it's bad but it's what they need to do to survive, it's a lesser evil" some time or another. But holy shit, they have put Satan at the wheel, so I don't know how anyone can keep pretending they are not just as bad as everyone else

Don Marti Mar 25

@javi @artemis fwiw, it's worse than it appears -- Mozilla is still working with Meta and Google on putting ad tracking into the browser.

(say what you want about the lysine price fixing conspiracy, at least they booked their own meeting rooms and didn't piggyback off of W3C the way that the attribution cartel is doing https://blog.zgp.org/terminator-ending-for-privacy-sandbox/ )

a Terminator ending for Google “Privacy Sandbox”?

Coach Pāṇini ®Mar 25

WTAF

Kevin Russell Mar 25

Time to fork Mozilla Firefox, not just edit it.

@kevinrns @javi Been saying that for a while, and sea lions pop back in barking that all forks fail when politics and user demands collide. (Apparently they never heard of LibreOffice, Tenacity, etc. Projects born of behind the scenes f*ckery, people having enough, forking it, and still going.)

Been on Waterfox the last year, hoping Servo is making good progress. If they go public next year, Firefox can go back to Brendan Eich for all I care and become Brave Lite.

berdario Mar 26

@Tock @kevinrns @javi Indeed, the effort might fail, but it's worth the shot. Since there are several forks already, we should just make sure that what we end up rallying for has a good governance model (that won't let it be easily hijacked like Mozilla). If the fork overtakes the original in marketshare, then there's a hope that the funding that Mozilla gets from Google would instead go to Waterfox (or Librewolf, or whatever...), which would make its development more sustainable.

Marián Kyral Mar 26

@kevinrns @javi Do it!

Matt Jordan Mar 25

@javi Firefox has become the John Fetterman of browsers.

deutrino Mar 25

@muhkayoh @javi bahaha this is sad but I cackled irl

firstprimate Mar 25

@muhkayoh @javi

This just gave me the kick in the pants to get off Firefox. ☄️

@firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi to what? Can you recommend a browser(s)?

@BenCgva @firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi Vivaldi is based on Chromium, but they’ve come out strongly against cramming it with AI.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-7-8-launches-with-message-to-big-tech-humans-dont-need-ai-babysitters/

Vivaldi 7.8 launches with message to Big Tech: humans don’t need AI babysitters | Vivaldi Browser

While other browsers race to add AI features nobody asked for, Vivaldi ships the most advanced tab multitasking system ever built for a browser…

Vivaldi Browser

@firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi yeah, last fucking straw. Switched to Gnome Web on both the phone and the desktop.

tripleman, a 🇨🇦 in 🇩🇪Mar 25

@muhkayoh deep cut.

@muhkayoh @javi As a PA resident, I hate this so much.

Eobard Toyotathon Mar 26

@muhkayoh @javi ouch

@muhkayoh @javi That bad?

Zelda 🎀🎮🏳️‍⚧️Mar 26

@muhkayoh Harsh but increasingly true. Switched everything to Waterfox for now. No issues so far, beyond a few Android apps insisting they're not compatible with it.

Brick Duck Mar 26

@muhkayoh @javi Being from Pennsylvania this hurts but is very true.

Zack Weinberg Mar 26

@muhkayoh @javi I live in Pennsylvania and I approve of this message.

(while screaming internally)

Jimmothy Baggins Mar 25

@javi The biggest issue for me is the lack of browser engines. Forking from Mozilla isn’t enough. An alternative from both chromium and gecko is needed.

There needs to be a new option that won’t come with the baggage or existing slop.

It’s the quicker option but it’s not the best option..

Until that happens every browser will be an offshoot of it and not that much better

🇨🇦 CowMan 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 🇲🇽Mar 25

@64bithero @javi such a huge task from scratch.

I'd love to see 'Presto' open sourced and returned to the wild:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)

@Vivaldi , either chance this has secretly been in modernization behind the scenes all these years?!

Presto (browser engine) - Wikipedia

Dane 🌎🖖✌️☮️⚛️☸️🕉️Mar 26

@64bithero @javi

There's the Ladybird web browser project, which is a new engine built from the ground up.

https://ladybird.org

Ladybird

Ladybird is a truly independent web browser, backed by a non-profit.

MrGrumpyMonkey Mar 26

@TheLastOfHisName @64bithero @javi Let's include Orion.
https://orionbrowser.com/

Orion Browser by Kagi

Orion — a web browser designed from the ground-up. Native WebKit speed, full extension compatibility, and absolute privacy is finally together in one browser that respects you.

Orion Browser

Jimmothy Baggins Mar 26

@mrgrumpymonkey @TheLastOfHisName @javi I love Kagi and their browser. It’s a still a work in progress (Mac only) and not open source but they are good people ..

MrGrumpyMonkey Mar 26

@64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi Are there other browser out there that don't rely on Chromium or Firefox forks? I feel like we need a list of everything that's in the works.

Jimmothy Baggins Mar 26

@TheLastOfHisName @javi I hear concerns about the creators political leanings but I am still keeping an eye on it

Vincent Sparks Mar 26

@TheLastOfHisName @64bithero @javi you mean the browser engine built by these people? https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814

also just because i'm a rustacean i'd like to throw Servo's hat in the ring

Gender neutral language within build instructions by Tunas1337 · Pull Request #6814 · SerenityOS/serenity

It's a minor nitpick, but I think it's important; assuming the user and/or developer of the operating system is male isn't exactly the best.

GitHub

Jimmothy Baggins Mar 26

@AVincentInSpace @TheLastOfHisName @javi I knew people had a problem with what he has said. I didn’t know it was this bad. I’ll definitely avoid giving him money. As for servo isn’t that just a browser engine and not an actual browser ? Maybe they can be the future !

Rasmus Lindegaard Mar 25

@javi @joeress wanna give this voice in your next podcast?

I mean, it's probably the last thing any of us wants to hear, but if it's the truth, its the fucking truth 😮‍💨

moooping Mar 25

@javi so what’s a preferred browser choice these days? Thanks for sharing btw.

@moooping
I like Waterfox, which is a version of Firefox but with A.I. and some other crap removed. I love that I can still use the Firefox extensions I'm used to but I won't see whatever marketing/advertising bullshit Mozilla tries to force on us.

moooping Mar 26

@lady_alys @javi Thanks!

Canageek Mar 25

@javi That explains so much

Carl Malamud Mar 25

@javi wow. They have 37 vice presidents.

Holy crap.
That reminds me of a #BillHerd quote from this the 8-Bit-Guy video about how middle management were multiplying like rats once #JackTramiel left the company. :/

@carlmalamud @javi No surprise that nothing useful gets done.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦Mar 25

@javi I said it before and I'll say it again:

Mozilla is a "temporarily embarrassed Big Tech corporation".

@javi hey @Vivaldi - can you folks get up to feature parity with regards to plugins and scrolling horizontal tabs so we can finally jump ship to you?

bituur esztreym Mar 25

@javi the shit thickens

chris actual Mar 25

@javi *Looks over at my Applications folder and whistles*

VIVALDI! YOU'RE UP

Linux Is Best Mar 25

@javi

The last major selling point of Gecko/Firefox was privacy. Today, however, Mozilla has become an ad company, and Firefox is bundled not with just one AI, but with nearly every mainstream AI available. On top of that, many webmasters no longer test their site rendering with Gecko/Firefox, as its market share has fallen below 3%.

There’s really no point in staying with Firefox other than being different, while telling yourself there’s still a choice — when that choice is no longer meaningful.

I switched to the Vivaldi browser, the only mainstream browser without built-in AI, and haven’t looked back.

@javi The levels of Mozilla's enshittification are just astounding.

Jeff Craig Mar 26

@javi Facebook Leads have been poisonously spreading through the industry for years, making every org they touch noticeably worse.

Molly in Missouri Mar 26

@javi @tante 🫠

William J. Bowman🇨🇦Mar 26

@javi well that explains a few things

@javi reminds me of what Microsoft did to Nokia

Alison Meeks Mar 26

@javi Wow glad I didn’t rush back to FF.

@javi Firefox lost me at "A"

pagangod (he/him)Mar 26

@javi Ugh. With several capital G's and a teenage eye-roll.
What about Thunderbird alternatives, and easy migration there?

@javi usually before you enshittify you’re supposed to have some market share but um firefox does not have market share

so idk what those guys are there for other than just running it into the ground for nobodys sake, which checks out, thats been slopzillas direction for dare i say the last decade or so

Stage name Jay Peach Mar 26

@javi time to ditch Firefox. Mozilla has become part of the Evil Empire. Hey, Raspberry, when are you going to start supporting other browsers than Chrome and Firefox?
#rasperrypi #raspberrypi

@javi this is a cold class war. A corruption of the commons. 🤬

BentiGorlich Mar 26

@javi
I finally canceled my donation. This is, as per usual, Mozilla Corp and not the foubdation, but I cannot support them in good faith anymore...