Mastodawn

I didn't realize the facebook execs Mozilla acqui-hired last year have been promoted! I was assuming they were still just heading the ads division of Mozilla, but oh boy, I fucking wish.

Now the former Senior VP of Marketing of facebook (2008-2022, the finest years of facebook) is the CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER of the entire Mozilla.

And the former VP of Ads in Facebook (2012-2022), is now the Senior VP of Product of Mozilla.

Let me repeat this:

The guy who used to lead the facebook team that was literally "advertising to teenagers based on their emotional state" is now the guy who decides the direction of Firefox as a product. But hey, let's keep giving Mozilla the benefit of the doubt uh? I'm sure these people-who-should-be-on-trial-in-the-hague are going to do great things for the community!

Mozilla Leadership

Mozilla

A cool crab wearing shades 1d ago

@javi 😩

Violet Madder 1d ago

I mean, have people not noticed that Mozilla has been out to destroy everything useful or nice about Firefox for years already?

Artemysia 1d ago

@violetmadder @javi I guess, but we keep making excuses for them. Crikey this is frustrating. Like I get we can't be moral purists and function under capitalism, but these people are absolutely amoral.

Violet Madder 1d ago

They're depraved predators out to ensure that there is NO privacy, freedom, or openness left anywhere.

Nothing functions under capitalism-- or at least not for much longer, anyway.

@violetmadder @artemis @javi Let's build guillotines, already!

Fluffy Kitty Cat 1d ago

@Quasit @violetmadder @artemis @javi what's taking us so long?

@Quasit
Yes, because the one thing USA lacks in proper quantity are death sentences.

@violetmadder @artemis @javi

@ditol @Quasit @violetmadder @artemis @javi Quality, not quantity!

@ditol @violetmadder @artemis @javi
"Yes, because the one thing USA lacks in proper quantity are death sentences."

For the rich and the ruling class, yes! They kill and exploit the working class with impunity. They're destroying the planet and the whole human race. Does the human race not have the right to defend itself?

@Quasit
I just don't see how guillotine is connected to this. I know, everybody thinks of it as a tool to behead a king. But.it was used to behead all kinds of revolutionaries during the reign of terror and after the French revolution it was in use until the 2nd half of the last century. As you can imagine, most of its victims came from the lower classes. A Capitalist regime would not behead a millionaire or billionaire for exploiting some working people. Putting it more relatable: a Luigi Mangione would have by far better chances of ending under a guillotine than the guy from the health insurance, were the guillotine still aroind today.

@violetmadder @artemis @javi

@ditol @violetmadder @artemis @javi

The guillotine has symbolic meaning unrelated to historical reality. There's a reason why the ruling class hates the symbol. Deep down, they know what they deserve.

But what symbol would you prefer?

Violet Madder 13h ago

@Quasit @ditol @artemis @javi

Well, violence is not the best solution in general. A lot of innocent people got their heads chopped off back in the day, so the symbol is festive and all but problematic.

They say the pen is mightier than the sword-- and indeed, that's how people like that United Healthcare CEO are monstrous mass murderers just walking around in public acting like they're respectable human beings. Unfortunately, our pens are not backed up with billions of dollars... Or guns, really that's what's behind the insurance companies' pens at the end of the day, why their whims get enforced and ours don't. They bought a lot of guys with guns.

Self-defense in the face of planetwrecking and mass social murder can certainly be argued, but with those giant data centers analyzing everything we say, so much as a peep about it is an increasingly quick trip to some gulag. Which complicates things.

https://crimethinc.com/2019/04/08/against-the-logic-of-the-guillotine-why-the-paris-commune-burned-the-guillotine-and-we-should-too

Against the Logic of the Guillotine

Fetishizing the guillotine is like fetishizing the state: it means celebrating an instrument of murder that will always be used chiefly against us.

CrimethInc.

Well it's an interesting article but
Surely this can’t all be just an ironic sendup of lingering right-wing anxieties about the French Revolution.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU POOT

A much more effective tool for positive social change through violence is a concealed weapon like a dagger, explosives, or maybe poison. Guillotines are way too visible, easy for the goons to seize and use to streamline their upstart peasant eradication campaign. Nobody seriously thinks the good guys will be the ones lopping off heads and putting people up against the wall.

CC: @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

Not to endorse any of those methods of violence. All I support is robust, resilient communities. Such communities could shelter people who go and do something like that, but they will successfully resist oppression regardless of whether or not some yahoo is committing performative justice on rich fucks.

What is dangerous is to reject murderers and thieves, and stand against their individual existence, rather than against the system of oppression. Because then your noble resistance gets murdered and robbed by the people who rich fucks do allow to exist (as slaves). I might make it harder to murder in general, but I won't make the murderers my enemy. A good friend helps you hide the body etc.

This is all pointless fantasizing anyway. My most violent friends are ones who play (gasp) board games.

CC: @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

This is it. Most of us, to a certain degree, have excused their shit as "it's bad but it's what they need to do to survive, it's a lesser evil" some time or another. But holy shit, they have put Satan at the wheel, so I don't know how anyone can keep pretending they are not just as bad as everyone else

Don Marti 1d ago

@javi @artemis fwiw, it's worse than it appears -- Mozilla is still working with Meta and Google on putting ad tracking into the browser.

(say what you want about the lysine price fixing conspiracy, at least they booked their own meeting rooms and didn't piggyback off of W3C the way that the attribution cartel is doing https://blog.zgp.org/terminator-ending-for-privacy-sandbox/ )

a Terminator ending for Google “Privacy Sandbox”?

Coach Pāṇini ®1d ago

WTAF

Kevin Russell 1d ago

Time to fork Mozilla Firefox, not just edit it.

@kevinrns @javi Been saying that for a while, and sea lions pop back in barking that all forks fail when politics and user demands collide. (Apparently they never heard of LibreOffice, Tenacity, etc. Projects born of behind the scenes f*ckery, people having enough, forking it, and still going.)

Been on Waterfox the last year, hoping Servo is making good progress. If they go public next year, Firefox can go back to Brendan Eich for all I care and become Brave Lite.

berdario 23h ago

@Tock @kevinrns @javi Indeed, the effort might fail, but it's worth the shot. Since there are several forks already, we should just make sure that what we end up rallying for has a good governance model (that won't let it be easily hijacked like Mozilla). If the fork overtakes the original in marketshare, then there's a hope that the funding that Mozilla gets from Google would instead go to Waterfox (or Librewolf, or whatever...), which would make its development more sustainable.

Marián Kyral 17h ago

@kevinrns @javi Do it!

Matt Jordan 1d ago

@javi Firefox has become the John Fetterman of browsers.

René Dario 1d ago

@muhkayoh @javi wow 🔥

deutrino 1d ago

@muhkayoh @javi bahaha this is sad but I cackled irl

Amy Maybe 1d ago

@muhkayoh @javi lol nice

firstprimate 1d ago

@muhkayoh @javi

This just gave me the kick in the pants to get off Firefox. ☄️

@firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi to what? Can you recommend a browser(s)?

@BenCgva @firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi Vivaldi is based on Chromium, but they’ve come out strongly against cramming it with AI.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-7-8-launches-with-message-to-big-tech-humans-dont-need-ai-babysitters/

Vivaldi 7.8 launches with message to Big Tech: humans don’t need AI babysitters | Vivaldi Browser

While other browsers race to add AI features nobody asked for, Vivaldi ships the most advanced tab multitasking system ever built for a browser…

Vivaldi Browser

Jago Nissi 17h ago

@firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi yeah, last fucking straw. Switched to Gnome Web on both the phone and the desktop.

tripleman, a 🇨🇦 in 🇩🇪1d ago

@muhkayoh deep cut.

@muhkayoh @javi As a PA resident, I hate this so much.

Andrew Furrow 1d ago

@muhkayoh @javi Fetterman only supports extensions of military aid to Israel

Eobard Toyotathon 20h ago

@muhkayoh @javi ouch

@muhkayoh @javi That bad?

Zelda 🎀17h ago

@muhkayoh Harsh but increasingly true. Switched everything to Waterfox for now. No issues so far, beyond a few Android apps insisting they're not compatible with it.

@muhkayoh @javi

Brick Duck 15h ago

@muhkayoh @javi Being from Pennsylvania this hurts but is very true.

Zack Weinberg 15h ago

@muhkayoh @javi I live in Pennsylvania and I approve of this message.

(while screaming internally)

@javi oh that is gross.

Why can't companies be normal!

@jackryder @javi

Probably one of the many reasons Mozilla has lost its way, HARD!

@librewolf is my choice these days!

@justin @javi @librewolf

Libre and Vivaldi

harbeider 1d ago

@jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf
Can you, with Libre or Vivaldi, synchronize between the browsers on all your machines? And send tabs?

@harbeider @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf you can with Waterfox

harbeider 1d ago

@shvere @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Thanks, will try it!

@harbeider
Not sure tbh, its not a feature I have ever used on any browser.
@jackryder @javi @librewolf

harbeider 1d ago

@justin @jackryder @javi @librewolf It's fantastic! :)

chris actual 1d ago

@harbeider @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf You can sync across machines with Vivaldi

harbeider 1d ago

@lackattack @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Ah, I'll will try that.

@harbeider @lackattack @justin @javi @librewolf

Oh yeah, Libre and a few others have those functions, or you can get an add-on but buyer beware.

Depending on your needs... you could like... dump them into a repo and sync against it, I suppose?

chris actual 1d ago

@jackryder @harbeider @justin @javi @librewolf It's kind of nifty. Log in with your vivaldi account, then enter your separate encryption password to sync your data. I should use it more lol

harbeider 1d ago

@lackattack @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Okay, great! I have work to do, I guess. :)

harbeider 1d ago

@jackryder @lackattack @justin @javi @librewolf
Well, you have to login on your Mozilla account. Then you can synchronize passwords, history, et cetera. And extremely usefull is sending open tabs. For example from a smartphone to your desktop. ->

Dr. Seltsam 🌎🎶🌳20h ago

@jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Same combo here 🤙🏽

Jimmothy Baggins 1d ago

@javi The biggest issue for me is the lack of browser engines. Forking from Mozilla isn’t enough. An alternative from both chromium and gecko is needed.

There needs to be a new option that won’t come with the baggage or existing slop.

It’s the quicker option but it’s not the best option..

Until that happens every browser will be an offshoot of it and not that much better

🇨🇦 CowMan 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 🇲🇽1d ago

@64bithero @javi such a huge task from scratch.

I'd love to see 'Presto' open sourced and returned to the wild:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)

@Vivaldi , either chance this has secretly been in modernization behind the scenes all these years?!

Presto (browser engine) - Wikipedia

Dane 🌎🖖✌️☮️⚛️☸️🕉️1d ago

@64bithero @javi

There's the Ladybird web browser project, which is a new engine built from the ground up.

https://ladybird.org

Ladybird

Ladybird is a truly independent web browser, backed by a non-profit.

MrGrumpyMonkey 1d ago

@TheLastOfHisName @64bithero @javi Let's include Orion.
https://orionbrowser.com/

Orion Browser by Kagi

Orion — a web browser designed from the ground-up. Native WebKit speed, full extension compatibility, and absolute privacy is finally together in one browser that respects you.

Orion Browser

Jimmothy Baggins 1d ago

@mrgrumpymonkey @TheLastOfHisName @javi I love Kagi and their browser. It’s a still a work in progress (Mac only) and not open source but they are good people ..

MrGrumpyMonkey 1d ago

@64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi Are there other browser out there that don't rely on Chromium or Firefox forks? I feel like we need a list of everything that's in the works.